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Posted by Kelli (Member # 248) on :

I decided to finally get rid of my Mac system and got out my camera to snap a picture of it. Now I'm pretty good at posing my cats, but I swear this one jumped up and plopped herself down on the printer by herself (can't stand to be left out of anything) I didn't notice her expression until I downloaded the pic to my hard drive. It's just priceless and it mirrors my feelings about Apples perfectly.

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Posted by Daniel Craig (Member # 971) on :

apology accepted. Granted, the cats expression sums up my feelings about Windows machines.

Granted, in 4 weeks or so, we will see the debut of Mac OS X and newer, faster Macs.

My first computer was an Apple II+, my current computer is a Mac G3. My next will be a Mac "whatever" (the fastest dual-processor Mac preloaded with OS X, that they show off in January)

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Daniel Craig
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Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :

I share your feelings Kelli,

Trying to sell mine right now.

Anyone want it? 7300/200 64 MB ram ... 4 gig HD Power PC
w/ zip drive and modem .... 0S8, and some software.

A lesser unit (7300/180 w/ 16MB ram & 1 gig HD) a refurbished system is being promoted in MAC mall mag right now for $499. Without the extras. I'll sell mine for $350.+ Shipping.

Any die-hard Mac-alites interested?
Email me.

Nettie

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Posted by John Deaton (Member # 925) on :

Nettie, if I hadn't got an 8500 off of ebay awhile back, I'd buy that sucker. Sounds like a good deal. I looooovvveeee macs.

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Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :

Hehehe..

True story.. Apple started up a "BUy one, get one free" deal on their 500MHz Dual CPU G4's.. get a 500MHz G4 and they'll throw in another 500MHz CPU cause they apparently have a ton of them left over, and now it's the only saving grace they have left now that the rest of the computer world is running closer to 2GHz. =)

We'll see what Apple has to offer soon, I'm sure it's something cool. They just let everything else go by the wayside while they developed their new processors.. Hell, for all we know, they have a 5GHz CPU with it's own radiator cooling system sittin back there. =)

My only beef with MACs is the software selection. It's not quite as expansive but then again, it's not Apple's fault that software developers arent supporting their system (which I do think is a better system than Windows).

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Mike Pipes
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Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :

Kelli andJanette, don't feel bad, ever talk to anyone that's trying to sell a 4 year old Pentium? Don't think so,...

...and Mike, where in the heck did you see that deal posted? Yes, Apple had a couple thousand 500MHz G4's on the shelf that they offered a deal on to their dealers, I know, I just bought one and love it. Moved my G3 to the other workstation in the shop. Bought a $200 G3/266 MHz Cresendo card and stuck in in the 8100 and took it home. A very good investment, that sucker books.

One other thing, when you run actual speed tests on Apple 500 duals running against the Ghz windows machines the real world differences are far less than the clock speeds would lead you to believe, in fact, the Macs usually win.

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Bill Modzel
Mod-Zel screen Printing
Traverse city, MI
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Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :

The only "real" experience I have had with a mac was at the commerce meet and Sam had a mac laptop there, running Illustrator and Corel8 or 9. I was VERY impressed with the speed at which it processed various tasks!!!

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Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :

Fact: Comparing Mac's RISC processor speed to Pentiums speed is comparing apples to oranges.

Fact: Mac's processors do not need a seperate cooling fan.

Fact: G4 is classified as a Super Computer by the government and has limited its export to certain countries.

Fact: The day is coming that Pentium will have to make major changes to their chip for it to keep up in the speed race, which Apple did years ago. Get ready for all new software when that happens.

Fact: I don't need a choice of 20,000 games, hundreds of different accounting software, etc. Every type of software I need for my business is available for Mac and one particular software that I love for sign design is Mac ONLY! AND the popularity of the G3 has more and more software companies writing more Mac software than ever.

When a true OS for PC's comes out to replace that glossed over, archaic, antiquated version of DOS (called Windows) I'll consider buying a Pentium based machine. Its too bad Apple was so stubborn and made the stupid marketing choises they made years ago. They COULD have been the Microsoft of the computing world.

One last fact: That cat picture is too cool. :-)

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Dave Sherby
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[This message has been edited by Dave Sherby (edited December 13, 2000).]

Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :

The graphics studio has two PCs, but the recording studio..............absolutely Mac all the way. Anyone in the recording industry that CAN afford a mac has one. PCs crash often, and when it comes to having laid down 30 minutes worth of music for editing, if that PC crashes!!..........absolute catastrophe. Macs in our recording stuio have NEVER crashed.....not once. If I could afford the newest kick-butt generation Macs coming out in the spring.....I'd be doing it. We've been locked into PCs in the graphics studio for so long that we're loathe to change. I don't want to have to change software on everything. Straight across published power between PCs and Macs aren't even a contest. The macs are much faster, for whatever reason.

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Posted by Dan Rapoport (Member # 1757) on :

Am I the only one who noticed that the mouse is gone? THAT would certainly explain the look.

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Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :

Judging from the look on his face I'd say he ATE it!

Posted by John Deaton (Member # 925) on :

I've never really had a problem with software either. On my macs, I have Freehand, Illustrator,Coreldraw,Photoshop,Typestyler,Painter5,Streamline,and numerous others. By the way, Typestyler is a mac only program, and the last version 3.0, is one killer program. Does a ton of distortions,etc, and great graphics for the web. I don't game any either, other than one or two my son and I play at home, so that part of it doesn't bother me. I aint knockin pcs, but I'd rather have a mac. And any problems I have, I just call the mac Guru, Sam Sanfillipio.

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Posted by Dennis Veenema (Member # 833) on :

Yes Bill, Mike is right about the dual cpu G4's. Of course the current O/S cannot recongnize both cpu's, and will not till the new os is released next year.

Dave the export of any computer components are limited to certain countries, by the US government. I have to fill out piles of paperwork to import components from the US, and US suppliers fill out even more to export to me.

Oh as far as 4yr old pentiums are concerned I can sell every 133 to 233 machine that I get, but no one ever looks for a mac!

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Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :

Bill, when it comes to computers, I've got a bit of an inside track on deals, info, news, products, press releases and all other kinds of goodies. =) I go to computer trade shows like COMDEX as well and get a crapload of info sent to me from contacts there.

As far as MACs go, I aint knockin 'em, I'd rather have one than a windows machine but there's ALOT of software out there that I use that is PC only, and it happens to be industry standard CAD and 3D Animation Software... it's not like Adobe who has the industry standard graphics software and originates it for MAC and ports to PC... this stuff is very high end and requires a PC to run it. They used to have MAC versions years ago but apparently they went where the money was, which is PC. =)

Actually, the system I really want is totally out of reach of anyone with a computer budget less than $200,000.. =)

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Mike Pipes
Digital Illusion Custom Graphics
Lake Havasu City, AZ
http://www.stickerpimp.com

Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :

MIke..Just a word of advice...Don't dig yerself into a hole ya can't climb out of!!!

(remember..yer not the only person here who knows a wee bit about puters!)

Posted by Kelli (Member # 248) on :

I need to extend my apologies to everyone. I didn't mean to make this a another contentious post, but just meant to give everyone a chuckle. Here's my take on the Mac vs PC issue: I personally don't care for Macs, HOWEVER that is due to my terrible experience with a G-3 I bought when I made a valiant attempt to become bi-computable or whatever the politically correct term should be

The thing crashed constantly and I finally gave up and sold it to someone who had the knowledge and patience to get it working properly. Why is it so important that we try to knock each other's preferences? I include myself in the "we", as I started this debate. I'm rather ashamed of myself as I've always considered myself tolerant of others' views and certainly don't believe that MY WAY is the ONLY WAY, just the right way for me. This particular issue (Mac vs PC), like that of religion, politics, and this board's support will not go away, but let's hope it stays in the debate category and doesn't become another platform for attacking each other.

P.S Dan, you've got a good eye, I forgot to connect the mouse!

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Kelli Cajigas aka Janda
Dolphin deSigns & Banners
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[This message has been edited by Kelli (edited December 14, 2000).]

Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :

Kelli,
No need to apoligise here. This has been a fun post! Not Gove/Bush or Guns/no guns.
And you right on the high end 3D software for sure Mike, (I get those magazines too), but I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing them being ported over to the Mac side too. OS10 is going to open up a whole new ballgame and the horsepower is there to go with it.

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Bill Modzel
Mod-Zel screen Printing
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Posted by Sam Sanfilippo (Member # 425) on :

Thanks for the kind words Dave....you DO know that the 'lil ol 1400 laptop you were on was almost 5 years old, and only had 48 megs of ram. 'Course I had kinda gave it a little speed bump from its original166 mhz processor to a 400 mhz G3.

Glad you got to see how the "other side" lives....LOL

Folks, I've used both of the platforms and for overall dependability I chose the Macs.
I've got every program I've wanted, and I haven't had that much of a need for redundant programs except for more graphics programs than I can ever use.

I may have converted my 'ol buddy John Deaton into as much of a macophile as I am.

Hey Dave, you want me to loan ya one of my macs to convert you over? hahahahahaa

Janet I'll buy it, if you really want to get rid of it..... Or I'll try to help anyone to get their MAC systems up to par to do whatever ya need...

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Posted by Mike Pipes [in a cubicle] (Member # 1841) on :

Bill, what's your 3D software of choice?
I use AutoCAD and Mechanical Desktop on a daily basis for CAD work, and started off with 3D Studio v1 for animation before anyone ever heard of Windows.. =)
I progressed into 3D Studio MAX (Windows version of 3D Studio, for those that dont know) and have been using it for so long that the learning curve to learn a program like SoftImage or Lightwave is pure torture. =) I think there is a MAC version of SoftImage though.

I'll be lookin into the new Apple systems though..

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Mike Pipes
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Posted by Mike Pipes [in a cubicle] (Member # 1841) on :

Dave,

I never claimed to be the only one here that knows anything about 'puters, I know there are several here that know plenty about computers, but very few with the extensive experience that I have had in the past with a variety of different kinds of machines, operating systems and hardware.
My experience extends FAR beyond the realm of MAC and PC, into systems which most people dont even know exist because they are well off the "mainstream system" scale.
THere's computing power out there that you'd never even dreamed of, but you cant buy it with $700 and a 3 year contract with MSN. =)

Like I said before, I aint knockin MACs.. I will knock windows though cause it's a piece of crap.

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Mike Pipes
-----trapped in a box with a computer and a slice of cheese-----

Posted by John Deaton (Member # 925) on :

Hot Dang! I'm a macophile! Pretty soon I'm gonna upgrade my 8500 to a G3, and I just might take over the world. Well, maybe here at home anyway.

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John Deaton III
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Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :

Mike,
Can't say that I'm into 3D at all. Lost in Adobe land here, but try to keep up on everything else going on in cyberspace.
Have some mac buddies who are big into Bryce.

I live in Illustrator and visit PhotoShop quite a bit. Been a beta testor for Gerber's MacImprint for two years and loving it. Looking forward to OS10.

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Bill Modzel
Mod-Zel screen Printing
Traverse city, MI
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Posted by Mike Pipes [in a cubicle] (Member # 1841) on :

Bill,

Ahhhhh... well, you'd only get adicted to 3D stuff anyways.. it's like Tetris. =)

I used to spend soooooooooooo much time in front of the computer tweaking 3D models and fine tuning, it was like having two full time volunteer jobs.. =)

Once I picked up photoshop, things got real insane as I started makin image maps galore.. =)

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Mike Pipes
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Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :

Sorry, but I couldn't let this rest. (Since I'm a true Macophile)

I thought I'd been out of touch on the PC side for a while so I didn't say much. But I just got the word on the bench tests and yes...the G3 333Mhz runs 2.5 times faster than a 700 Mhz Pentium.

The G4 500 Mhz with dual processors is in the 10 to 15 times the speed of a Pentium 700. OS 10 will boost the speed even more. Like I said before, comparing Mhz rating between Pentium and Mac is comparing apples to oranges. (No pun intended)

By the way, G4's don't even need a cooling fan for their chip. The Pentium chip will fry in 5 seconds without the fan, which by the way is rated at half the life of the chip. Of course that doesn't matter cuz todays computers become obsolete just as you get them broken in.

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Dave Sherby
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SherWood Sign & Graphic Design
Crystal Falls, MI 49920
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