I just finished a large carved sign(8'x6'), made from Precision Board, and I was wondering what the best way to mount it to the outside wall of a building would be. I'm not doing the install, but I know that when the customer comes to pick it up, I'm going to have this question thrown at me. I never do my own installing, but I have a few good ideas on how to do it. I was hopin that some of you could help me out with your ideas. Any thoughts.....? Thanx.
------------------ Mike Kelly theSignWorx Ashburnham, MA 978.827.4439 thesignworx@hotmail.com
Posted by Spud (Member # 1590) on :
I failed to mention that the 2" HDU board is glued to 3/4" plywood. Thanx.
------------------ Mike Kelly theSignWorx Ashburnham, MA 978.827.4439 thesignworx@hotmail.com
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Mike...........check your email........
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Michael.......your posted email addy seems to be wrong. I tried the other one.......hopefully it'll go through.
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Posted by LazyEdna (Member # 266) on :
I will NEVER understand why anyone would restrict their response to a good question to an email... why not post it here on the BB where EVERYONE can learn something? LE
------------------ LazyEdna in RL known as Sara Straw from southern Utah 5 National Parks within 3 hours drive Red Rock Heaven
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Well, LE......suppose my email had to do with something that wasn't meant for you?? Ever think of that, LE??
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by Mike O'Neill (Member # 470) on :
Pierre .. What's the huff for? LE has a valid point. The most valuable part of this bullboard is the SHARING of information. If your email to spud was about "The best method to mount a wall sign" then I also feel it should be shared, If your email was anything else then you are right to tell LE and the rest of us to mind our own business. If no-one openly shared info then this board would dry up and not be the great resource to all of us that is is now.
"The best things in life aren't things" Art Buchwald
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Tell ya what I'm gonna do........Just for LE......(my email included subject matter pertaining to other than his question) but here's a solution for a mount of his described kind. Using a 1/8" thick, 2"wide, 5' long piece of steel, using the steel draw a felt marker line about 8 to 10 inches above dead horizontal center. Remove the steel, drill two 1" holes 1/2" deeper than the plywood, four feet apart dead center on the drawn line. Replace the steel bar, covering 1/3 of the drilled holes and, using 1" screws, screw the bar to the plywood backing placing a screw every 6". You can use 5/8" lag bolts in the building and measure the spacing so the heads will insert in the drilled holes and hook under the steel bar. Now you use a small "L" bracket at the top of the sign and it won't move at all. That should support the heaviest sign, as long as your lags are the right size, length and solidly screwed into the buliding. Thar ye be.......LE. :^)
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by LazyEdna (Member # 266) on :
I am at a loss to understand how mounting a sign on a building is none of business. If you don't like to share, why not just say so? LE
------------------ LazyEdna in RL known as Sara Straw from southern Utah 5 National Parks within 3 hours drive Red Rock Heaven
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
I reckon if you'd posted "to me" instead of "about me".........no "huff"..... :^) BTW........have you EVER known me not to share everything I could on this board??
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! nuff said?
------------------ Don Coplen aka "SaintPete" Coplen Designs St.Petersburg, FL dcoplen@mindspring.com
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Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
No big secrets to that method -- duh, hey, can I borrow yur hammer and pound these nails in to mount this sign, duh, !?!?
------------------ Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Sonicob@aol.com
Posted by Nevman (Member # 332) on :
Actually, I have never heard of installing by pierre's description. And I like it a lot.
I was was thinking about it last night and a lot depends on the situation.
Depending on the type of building, I normally would use stainless # 12 screws on a wood structure or 1/4" Tapcon on a concrete block or brick building.
Place the screws around the perimeter of the sign and one about in the middle to keep it from bowing. Try to keep all of the screws in the background color.
If the sign will be high off of the ground, or viewed from somewhat of a distance, you could run the screws flush to the HDU and touch them up as is. They shouldn't be that noticeable. If the sign will be seen closer up, countersink the screw into the HDO; maybe down to the plywood.
Give hime some touch up paint and tell him to go get some sort of paintable putty and fill the holes using a dabbing motion with his finger to match the texture of the sign. He can touch-up after it's dry.
This is my standard way of installing. I know it's pretty basic, but for a client installing himself, it should suffice.
But I will use the method pierre described on the next one.
------------------ Pat Neve, Jr. Sign Man, Inc. 4580 N. US 1 Melbourne, FL 32935 321-259-1703 signman@signmaninc.com Capt. Sign Letterville Constituent constituent: "One of the individual entities contributing to a whole"
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Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
I forgot to mention that our method allows you to move or remove the caving for maintenance, unless, of course, you used Pelucid to finish coat it. Heh...... :^)
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by Spud (Member # 1590) on :
Thanks to all who helped me out. Pierre, the method you described should work perfectly. The guy who is installing the sign is pretty much "on the ball" and should be able to handle it without a problem. I must add here, also, that I think pierre is one of the most generous folks on this BB as far as helping out some of us when we seem to be in need of ideas. Merci, mon ami. Thanx again....spud.
------------------ Mike Kelly theSignWorx Ashburnham, MA 978.827.4439 thesignworx@hotmail.com
Posted by VICTORGEORGIOU (Member # 474) on :
Take a 2x4 and rip it at 45 degrees on the long axis. Attach the down pointing piece to the back of the sign using your favorite method, making sure that the top is "level" with the sign.
At the site, attach the up pointing piece of the 2x4 to the wall using your favorite attachment method, making sure that the bottom is level.
Now just hang the sign on the wall like a picture and run a screw down thru the bracket to keep the sign from jumping off the wall in an earthquake.
You can put a spacer 2x4 on the bottom, and just glue it to the wall since it does not carry any load.
If you don't want your sign to stand off the wall this far, there are commercially available brackets that do the same thing and are about 1/4" thick.
If you are working very far off the ground this is immensely easier than attaching with through the face hardware.
Many clients think that the standoff improves the look of the finished sign.
------------------ Victor Georgiou Bob Loves Signs Inc Danville, CA email blssigns@pacbell.net
Posted by Jackson Smart (Member # 187) on :
Yeah Victor....It is commonly called a "French Cleate". Excellent way to hang any sized signs.
Also....Pierre's installation works very well.
"Keep on Sharing......."
------------------ Jackson Smart Jackson's Signs Port Angeles, WA ...."The Straits of Juan De Fuca in my front yard and Olympic National Park in my backyard...
"Living on Earth is expensive...but it does include a free trip around the Sun"
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Pierre - - I really don't appreciate that E-Mail you sent since my 8 year old daughter downloaded that. Matter of fact, if I could find you I will prob'ly kick your ass.
------------------ Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Sonicob@aol.com
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Apologies for your daughter.....after my nephew read your post he sent you that "love" site. I discovered what he'd done but it was too late. The site was actually kinda cool so I posted it here on the board. His email was a bit TOO personal, although deserved. He works here during the summer and has access to the computer. Again, my apologies, but my physical address is 180 Kelly Road in Kalispell if you're ever up this way and want to try your luck. :^) BTW.......my nephew just arrived and I have properly chastised him for his indescretion, but he asked me why anyone would allow a child access to your email?? Still no excuse for his actions, but you must admit, it's kind of a cool site. Chill out, mon! Better days are coming! :^) ------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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