Reed vs Town of Gilbert, Arizona. I don't know if anyone has paid much attention to this US Supreme Court ruling, but it has the potential to affect sign ordinances all across the US. It will be interesting to see how things play out in the years to come as more city sign codes get challenged. This decision was also a unanimous one, which is not super common for the Supreme Court.
I posted links on a blog page if anyone finds this interesting:
I saw that in the USSC newsletter. There are so many zoning rules that are unconstitutional it's not funny. But usually they don't get challenged because of the time & cost involved. Also anyone opening a new business doesn't want to make an enemy at town hall for fear of retribution. I just had a garden center that wanted a changeable copy board, but the town only allows churches to have them. No way would that stand up to a challenge, but they aren't going to risk it.
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
As an alderman (city council) in our little city, we're always plagued with temporary signage, that advertises cigarettes, energy drinks, coming events, etc., that are posted mostly by convenience stores. They slam them up with string or zip ties, to any kind of upright structure....and so often, after a few days, they're laying on the ground, or blown across the street. When the promotion is over, they just leave them hang. I'm going to limit how long those things can be up, and make the stores take them down, as soon as the ad is over.
Another thorn in my/our side is election signs. We've got several elections (city, county, township) running concurrently, and some of these guys have signs up for several months! What an ugly mess, to see 25 signs on a street corner! And I DO some of the damn things....hate 'em!
So at our last board meeting, I made a proposal to author an new sign code for our city. After showing the members pictures of the political sign mess in various locations, those temporary sale signs strewn all around, and those horrid feather banners, that come apart in a couple months and look like He-- anyway.....they all pretty much agreed that something needed to be done; and with my "extensive knowledge" of signage, these clowns are in trouble.
I checked with the state election commission, and they told me it was up to us, as a city, to set our own limits on how long temporary signs could be up.......so it's coming. I'm starting by stopping election signs being put up more than 30 days before an election. And there are already limits on how long they can be left up, afterwards. There are fines involved. I'm sick and tired of the "coroplast pollution" that these things present.
I've at least gotten a few laughs out of the locals, when the election's over.....I've got a SIGN, that I put out in our front yard that says,"YAAAAAAYY! THE SIGNS ARE GONE!"
[ August 20, 2015, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: Dale Feicke ]
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Dale ... would this be OK?
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Make a matching one for her (former) boss, and put 'em both in my yard anytime!
[ August 21, 2015, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: Dale Feicke ]
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
LOL Si...I guess you would prefer the "Trumpet"??? Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :
I'll vote for that on Si! Heck, maybe I'll start printing them.
Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
Here in Orlando it is what type of business you have. like if you have a tattoo, pawn, check cashing, or psychic shop your in for trouble with signs very strict. But if a tourist trap or church have fun.
Now banners depends how wealthy the area you are in
Those coroplast temporary ones stuck in the ground with wire can be put up on friday nite taken down by monday morn are ok if on public property otherwise anyone can take them down, but if you a politician you can break all rules. Now one thing the city has finally done is use robot calling on those illegally placed so it keeps calling filling up inbox & bothering ya number till you stop putting out signs, that has reduced the number of coroplast garbage ads.
In my area I knock them down all the time soon as I see them which has reduced placement.
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
Well we're having a heck of a time in my community. The Lions Club purchased digital sign panels to replace the illuminated changeable letter cabinet signs at the 3 main entrances to our town. The current signs are licensed by the State of Michigan and the Lions have always paid the necessary fees to keep these signs legal. They are all within city limits on US Highway 2. They wanted to remain legal so they reported their intentions to the state and are being denied 2 out of the three sign locations. The state is using the highway advertising act of 1972. Just because these are digital panels, the state is denying licensing. Light output will be lower than the current signs, so the "dark sky initiative" would be happy, and no advertising of commercial entities has ever been allowed on these signs.
We're meeting with a congressman on Monday to see what he can do about it. This community depends on these signs for dates of festivals, announcements of all kinds like "Citizen of the Year" and our local high school achievements. Most importantly, our local sheriff's department purchased an extra control keyboard for the units so they could put up amber alerts, emergency information and road closures without having to locate the Lion in charge of the signs.
Posted by Curt Stenz (Member # 82) on :
I have noticed in some cities that any temporary sign must be hand held by a human being. Usually there is some one sitting on a lawn chair reading a book, using the sign to shade them from the sun. The signs are gone at the end of the day.
Posted by Bill Wood (Member # 6543) on :
Here in Winston-Salem NC, ANY SIGN ADVERTISING ANY BUSINESS IS ILLEGAL.A fine of $50 will be charged for each sign the y pick up.A friend of mine who owns a landscaping business was charged $1500.00 for signs he put out. On Friday afternoon real estate companies put out hundreds of signs on every street corner advertising developments they are promoting.This is a SIGN FEEASSCO AND SO unfair.WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT...N O T H I N G.
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