How long do you suppose a coat of Ronan sign paint Would last on top of clear coat On a 1970's Ranchero with a new paint job? Any suggestions? Yes, I have done these kind of things before, But I am always open to learn. How would YOU do this? Also, where can I find a vector design for these stripes? Without the 'GT' although, I can get rid of that part myself If there is a file that includes the GT. Stripes,for the lower edge of a ranchero, and the ones for next to the window and down the bed...and across the tailgate. Sort of like this, but no GT Guy insists on paint, and no GT on stripe. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Oci4DA-NL._SX450_.jpg It is giving the automotive paint guy nightmares. Customer insists the ranchero paint job is not finished, until stripe is added, and the automotive can't get one without the GT. Also can't seem to paint it
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Posted by Dale Manor (Member # 4858) on :
Not sure about Ford but I bought an assembly manual for my 1969 Camaro and the various paint job layout measurements are in the book. If I were going to do this, I would check that out first. Having that information would help in laying out the stripes.
The only way to do the stripes that I can see (and not have brush strokes) is to spray them on. That would require masking off the entire green portion of the car and spraying them on with single stage automotive paint. If they don't want them hi-gloss, flattening agent would need to be added to the paint before spraying.
When I get around to a new paint job on my Camaro, I will paint the stripes over the base coat and then clear the whole car...most likely using intercoat clear between the two colors.
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
I agree with the other Dale, Shon, on the basic procedure.
Like said, automotive paint would definitely be the way to go, over Ronan, or any sign enamels.
There are surely Ford enthusiast or even Ranchero-related forums and websites, where you could also look to find dimensions, shapes, etc.
Good luck!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
WHO IS THE BODY MAN... who cant figure this out???? cant be that inept)))) simple masking job no need for a vector template....couple hours masking job, cover the rest of the green to protect from overspray.....shoot 2-3 coats of the gold, remove tape while still wet so the edges will flatten out. SIMPLE EASY TAPE JOB......your making it harder then it is... [IMG][/IMG]
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Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Surprise!!! I totally agree with Joe!
It's a pretty simple job. From a quick google search I found lots of pictures of that striping layout. Just take some measurements of the vehicle, tape/mask and spray.
If the paint job is basecoat/clearcoat it is even easier to get a smooth edge finish.
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
C'mon Joe, it's true that a job like this shouldn't take a genius to tape and shoot.
But if the customer wants it like original, you've gotta have some kind of fairly accurate measurements to go by. Trying to copy a picture out of a magazine or photo could possibly look like a hack job. Only other way would be to have a similar Ranchero to go off of.
Myself, I'd paint the vehicle and do the stripes, before the clear...like the other Dale said. Thanks Dale!
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
dale........sorry to tell ya...but i would tape that FROM A PICTURE.... and GAR-ON-TEE its damn close to the original.......... [IMG][/IMG]
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Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Go for it............and live with it, is all I can say. The customer will determine who's right.
I wouldn't be happy with the stripes in that picture, if it was that big of a deal.
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
the STRIPE in the picture is THE ORIGNAL... that came on the car in 1979.... never said it was pretty.......or ascetically pleasing but to match that..aint hard....
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Shon....... and you're thinking of doing this in gold Ronan sign enamel with a brush. You'll be in court til the end of the year
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
There are plenty of Ford authorized striping kits available online.
If the customer wants original he should go with something like that. Dunno why he would not want the GT part since it was the way the originals were.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
This is not a difficult job, for sure. Yeah, its the original stripe, i would have done better, but this is 'authentic'. RE: painting with a brush: I can paint a 4 x 8 panel, old school, with a brush, no brush marks...and it will look like glass. (Just go over it again lightly way before it dries, criss cross, all marks will lay down and it will be mirror smooth. It cant be very warm when you do this though.) I asked for vector file, just to make sure all the measurements were correct. Also because he kept going back and forth between wanting vinyl or paint. It can be done from a photo, no problem. The confusion began with the body shop guy, calling me in a semi panic.... ...not wanting to clear over it...but use paint. Now he wants to go with vinyl. Thats fine too. I almost sort of sorry for him.... He talked up how hard this was to do,(for him) said customer insisted on paint. etc. Then, later, he had a hard time with the customer....who had expected the stripe to be included in the basic paint job. Autobody guy does a great job painting things one solid color, and basic stuff, but not more than that. (hey...more work for me!...Gravy.) I told him, how about I could just mask it off and you spray it with basecoat then clear over it. He said ...that now, he is so worried the customer will be difficult.... That he wants to be able to remove the stripes again!! (in case customer doesnt like the color) I said..ask first about the color...show a sample, sign off on it with the guy...this is why I sign off in writing on things, in advance...and get 50% up front. He talked up how I should charge alot..; then later, he caved in at customer anger (who thought stripe was included in the original bid), autobody guy said he would pay for the stripe himself!!...and is now depressed he insisted I charge $500.oo!! Well, maybe he can do some work on my old Airstream style camper.....drill out the rivets on the windows, seal leaks, replace with screws,etc. RE: What autobody guy couldnt do this stripe? (I agree it is astoundingly simple for a Letterhead) Consider this: The area here has many very small, rural towns...autobody guy lives in one, and is probably the only guy there who does this stuff. Friends and lifelong neighbors, bring him enough work to do at his home shop to survive. But I have saved his @$$ on the last three jobs, where he couldnt do the more 'skilled' parts. This is in the foothills (of the headlands) of Appalachia..... Next county over, is VERY rural. Have heard from several people, the sign guy there, DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO READ!!!!! He has the customer write the sign words, and he can paint letters well. (no backwards letter E's or anything) He just copies the spelling, shows the guy a basic layout, then paints it (on the side of a barn, a window, truck or whatever) This may not have been all that uncommon in the distant past....
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Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
RE: authorized stripe kits: Customer insists it doesnt say 'GT'
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Really this is no big deal, guys...thanks for chipping in! I am almost embarrassed to post jobs this simple here, but feel that I can always learn something. I never ass-u-me that I know it all, no matter how easy it seems, I want to learn more.
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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Well..... Rolls Royce painted they're automobiles by brush at one time or another back in their early days...
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Seriously....you can get a reflective, glass like finish with no brushmarks, on surfaces 4 x 8 ft or larger....with a brush. This is one of the things I learned from being sign shop apprentice at Ohio Sate fair around 1982. apply the paint, then Kind of smooth it with very light pressure, almost no pressure but gravity... as you go down the board, and then again afterwards...from two different directions...longways, then sideways. That paint lays right down, real smooth..like glass.
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
in the south ...we have this paint from BLP MOBILE PAINT called NAM-A-LAC. and you can get a 4 X 8 or bigger glass like finish with this paint. i use for background http://www.blpmobilepaint.com/arch_prod_metalfinishes.html Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
Although you may get the paint to flow out, you will still have the strokes show as the metallics will show the direction of the brush strokes. Always best to spray metallic colors. On another note, I don't believe Ronan is making gold metallic lettering enamel anymore, and One Shot gold sucks. Best to make your own with powder and varnish.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
you are perfectly correct rick.....and even when sprayed...IF YOU DONT DO IT RIGHT.......you will get separation. i had some gold paint from SEARS...years ago. in a can and i brushed it...perfectly. did have to spray a clear coat over it......also.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
the stripe is going to be blue. I know what you mean about the metallics. They are a bit different.
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Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Joe, i will have to try that out!
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Shon...My final comment on this topic is.......
Bow out gracefully and wish the body shop guy and HIS customer the best of luck. It sounds like they are gonna need lots of luck.
After reading all of the unreasonable and silly expectations, I wouldn't touch the job for any kind of money!!!!!
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Dave you might have a point there. I am going to suggest they use the stock stripe, which is how the original was. (buy online etc)
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
I'm with Grundy on this one.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Easy to create the stripe, maybe not so easy to deal with a customer that the autobody guy is already having a hard time with.... I am going to suggest he just do the original stripe, buy it on ebay.
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
I've lost track of the paint or vinyl or change the coloour in paint or vinyl options, and suggest you hop away as fast as possible, and give the owner a roll of duct tape and a can of spray paint in roughly the right colour and let him stick it on and paint or remove it himself at will.
Alternately he lets you do it, and accepts what he gets, but this looks like it is not an option unless he pays for all colour alterations and changes of mind as they happen.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
I always have a scale design , color sample, and have the customer sign off on it. I told autobody guy, that he should do the same.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Ok, I can't let the autobody guy down. He is paying for it himself.(and pretty well too) I am matching the blue color of the upholstery Then cutting it in vinyl. He says it will be no problem, since he is paying me. Customer won't pay him until stripe is on there! But I get paid exactly when I put it on.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Best of luck Shon. Please post a pic or two of the finished job.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Arg! Auto body guy went ahead and bought a used roll of high performance vinyl..... in too much of a hurry to look at a color chart, get it approved, and then order. So, I was out of town a few days visiting niece and nephew. (Kids really are only so excited to see us for a certain number of years, and if you miss out on those, you don't really get another chance.....we made some cast glass things I created, more interesting by adding Sculpey) Anyway, I get back and.....customer has visited autobody guy twice since I left. Most recent time,..... he decided he doesn't want stripes after all! Autobody/paint guy said go ahead and make them, put them on, and if customer doesn't like them, he will just remove the stripe. I am sort of busy, and don't really want to do this. You guys are probably right......walk away gracefully..... Or, just quickly!
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Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
I was thinking to myself... Man, if the Letterheads say walk away from this (basic) job.... It must be seriously an issue to work with the situation!
Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
Why do you want to play in his sand trap, it's not that cool of a job. In the big picture, it's his problem, he created the situation, and he's trying to make you part of his problem now. It will end badly...don't let guilt involve you in the sinking ship.
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Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
I am definitely done with this deal. No glory, lots of annoyance.
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Can't wait to see the body man peel the decal off WITH THE NEW PAINT!
Idiot.
Posted by shon lenzo (Member # 1364) on :
Well, fortunately all I am out of on this deal, Is a lot of annoyance, And the time and gasoline it took to drive over there. I told him, if the customer doesn't want it on there, I have other things to do and don't want to put it on there!
