pensacola wants to rebrand their image. the powers that be hired some firm, NOT FROM FROM LOCAL AREA.... for over $100k to get this. [IMG][/IMG]
[ November 20, 2013, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
if you have facebook you can send them a critique to wear-tv.....
Posted by Brent Logan (Member # 6587) on :
Typical. I see that all the time. Us folks on the production end soon find out what a pain in the ass most of these design firms are to work for. They charge for billable hours. A lot of that is for bull**** meetings and constant revisions.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Just more civil servants using other people's money foolishly to justify their existence.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Than people wonder why their city is broke
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Ha ha ... and I am sure no "kick backs" ocured!
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
I like it, but I would have only charged $80,000.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
I think the image looks OK too...But unlike Dave S. I would have designed it for $40,000 CDN!!!
It IS a shame, though, that cities and townships get companies from outside of their area to do work that could be provided by local businesses and would help support those businesses who pay taxes locally.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Nice one Dave...but do think you could have come out with a profit at $80k...it would have been close.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Personally I think it is a weak design...I assume the shapes are representative of the sun and waves...it's Pensacola...if that's right then why is the sun blue and the waves green...I don't get it...I'm confused...and the colors look like they've been out in the Florida sun way too long...colors are all the same value...there is no pop in the design...the upper green swoosh seems disconnected and doesn't flow back into the composition...if those are waves I don't like water portrayed with sharp points...needs to be flowing lines...lettering is weak...too thin...it doesn't read well...and actually characters touch both left and right hand borders...I don't know about that...if I had been paid only $50.00 as a design fee I wouldn't have let this out my door...it would have been put in my trash bin...wait...it would never have made it to my trash bin because it would never have existed in the first place...if you haven't already guessed...I don't like it.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
iam with you rusty.........and to pay $100k for that !!!!!!
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
What is Pensacola known for?.........That should have been my starting point, as an out of town designer, hired by the fools who run the city, to design their new branding........Of course, once that the fee of many thousands of dollars had been agreed on, with them......here is where I would start soaking my brain with everything related to Pensacola, and attempt to earn all the money that those fools, who run the city, will be paying me for my design: ( example )
THEN: KEEP ON SEARCHING, SOME MORE, UNTIL YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT PENSACOLA IS ALL ABOUT,
Then, only then, I would start with the process of branding the city of Pensacola, to avoid coming up with that piece of ___________.
Like "they" say: Just my two cents.
RD
[ November 21, 2013, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: Ricardo Davila ]
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
What Joey said. Along with being accused of some shady deals, many cites in Florida are not paying back on thier bonds. Yikes, the madmen are in charge. On the other hand, yep, I'd take the money. Shoot, I'd do it for half.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
richard, pensacola has been known as the city of 5 flags. and also the 1st place to be inhabited by spanish explorers. we are older the SAINT AUGUSTIN FLORIDA. A Spanish Expedition Established St. Augustine in Florida September 8, 1565 In 1559 Tristan de Luna established a short-lived settlement at Pensacola Bay which became one of the first European-established settlements in what is now the continental United States; however, it was soon abandoned. every thing here is 5 FLAGS oriented. GOOGLE city of 5 FLAGS.... pensacola comes up in all searches, these flags all have ruled here. Spain, France, Britain, the Confederacy and the United States. apprently the NEW BRANDING... wants nothing to do with the history. the neatest thing i have seen lately is....... A WHITE CHRISTMAS at pensacola beach.....sand is same color as snow...AND A LOT WARMER)))) http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g34550-d142879-r50949877-Pensacola_Beach-Pensacola_Florida.html
[ November 21, 2013, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
So, why not use some of that information as a guideline for the new branding of the city ?......There are so many possibilities.....
Anyway, thanks for the history lesson, Joe.
RD
P.S..Saw your last photo........Very cool hair !......It goes well with the big lemons.
[ November 21, 2013, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Ricardo Davila ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i like HISTORY of areas i lived. for what its worth, i also come from a place that can trace its history of human inhabitants....... 16,000 years old. Some estimates peg its age at 19,000 years! i used to play under this rock shelter and we would build fires to cook fish we caught in the stream just below it. later years (10-13), i worked at the meadowcroft village, when it was 1st being built planting pine trees on weekends and getting paid .50 cents an hour)))))) later(1976-1978)when i was attending PENN STATE i worked there as resident "potter" on weekends and gave tourists talks and demos of how a potter worked and made most of the utilitarian clay pots, bowels dishes....ON A KICK WHEEL!!!!! Read more: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28310.0.html?PHPSESSID=gha0mks64cdvudscfhuch5bfr7#ixzz2lIjs0CbX
[ November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Bill Davidson (Member # 531) on :
I would guess that pointy thing at the top is the firms.......................
Money hook!
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
OP...this for you...it's a drawing I did of Pensacola some 30 years ago when I was doing alot of drawing...these are 2 blown up parts of the larger composite drawing...you probably recognize the ruins of Fort Pickens...the old San Carlos Hotel...Rosie O'Grady's...the old train station...the downtown coliseum (it was brand new back then)...and the flags down by the Bay Bridge that you spoke of that have flown over Pensacola...these are all from photos I took while on site including the sea oats on the dunes...the shot of the entire print didn't turn out...I didn't lay it flat and it had a hugh wave in it that distorted it...maybe I'll get a better shot of it tomorrow.
[ November 22, 2013, 02:31 AM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!!!!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
rusty you should send that to the bozo's who came up with the new design.......show them what PENSACOLA REALLY IS.......AWESOME...
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Rusty, your fine art is some of the best. Love the pictorials on your signs.
Posted by Dan Beach (Member # 9850) on :
Design by committee. Very likely they also had to perform a readability study for the DOT and jump through a ton of hoops.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
OP...I hear that down at City Hall they liked the new logo so much that Pensacola will now be called "The City of Six Flags".
Posted by Brent Logan (Member # 6587) on :
Even with the big budgets you'd be surprised how often contractors come out in the red on those government jobs. I've seen it happen. Too many cooks, countless redo's and a lot of waste.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Surely most of us have designed for the approval of a committee? And worse, a committee made up of politicians!
A good chunk of my portfolio is made up of artwork a committee didn't choose, because I would be embarrassed to show people the finished product. Even a committee of two can become a PITA.
I may be wrong, but I would guess this project got dragged through design he'll before getting final approval.
[ November 22, 2013, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Don Coplen ]
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
He ll is a curse word here? Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Sadly, as beautiful as Rusty's artwork is, it would take some serious re-design work, to make it "fit" the proportions of most street banners.
One of US, though, could damn sure make it work!!
Posted by Michael Clanton (Member # 2419) on :
why would they use something old fashioned like a pencil drawing when they can obviously use cutting edge design software, like MS Word, to create the magical icons that reflects both tranquility and something something else that represents man's struggle with with the sea...
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