I'm going to Seattle for Xmas... Too bad I'm a good boy!
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Strange as it may seem...Here in Mexico, a small amount of pot in your posession (2-3 joints) is legal.
Like Felix, I don't partake...used to years ago, but no longer.
I will be interested to see how the US federal gov't responds to the state laws voted in by real voters.
Should be good fodder for CNN and FOX for a few weeks. They will need something to talk about after a 2 year election campaign!!!
Oh wait...they still have another month to "analize" the election results!!! Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
In California, the Fed moved in and busted hundreds of state-legal medical pot dispensaries, over the protests of the counties.
Why Obama is even wasting resources on this piddly matter is beyond me. Romney wd have been even worse.
Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
Shows ya how casual America has gotten in more then just this.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
I stopped smoking marijuana after 49 years just a few months ago. I now make it into a butter and use it in my food recipes, it helps with my spinal pain and keeps me from using pharmaceutical drugs which can be additive and possible kill me. The herb helps makes me smile and lasts for hours and even lets me sleep the night through without hurting or waking up. I am a legal card holder and grower here in Oregon. Of course this costs my around 200 per year just for the card which I pay to the state. I wouldn't live anywhere else Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Casual, Craig? Only two states legalized pot. The rest of the country is very happy carrying on its 50-year-old War On Drugs. It has and is spending billions on a hopeless, useless, wasteful, and crime-producing war that it will never win. Americans cant stand to see themselves as "quitters" and have never learned the art of accepting defeat gracefully. It's all so silly -- the whole world smokes pot and has for thousands of years.
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
Just think of the Cash in Taxes the government could rake in if weed was legalized... let alone the reduction in crime.
Posted by Pete Payne (Member # 344) on :
quick, buy some stock in Doritos!
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
I'd much rather be around pot heads than alcoholics. Look at all the people alcohol kills every year. Not to mention some of them are down right mean when they are drinking. Never saw a person mean while they were high on pot.
I quit smoking pot about 20 years ago, & I am around both potheads & alcoholics pretty often. Big difference.
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
As a general rule society is better when folks are free to do the right thing. In no universe that I can imagine is the use of either benificial to you personally nor socially. It could be argued that a little occaisionally is not harmful. But is it helpful, really? Enough to risk the more wide-spread acceptance of it?
Before any one tells me that you cannot legislate morality think deeper, then tell me of a law which does not codify someone's?
Posted by Jon Peterman (Member # 528) on :
well said Bob
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
It's still against federal law; so you could still get in trouble.
I tried weed years ago, didn't get high, and the smell nearly made me sick.......so I never pursued any drugs further.
Looking back, I'm glad it didn't work out; I probably would've used it further, like I did with alcohol. I was never an alcoholic, but did party down, a good bit. Still have a margurita every now and then.
I guess either drugs or alcohol can be as good, or bad, as you let them become. You can drink a beer occasionally, or move up to the hard stuff; just like you could smoke a joint once in awhile, or move on to crack, or more. Life is all about choices.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
the criminalization of POT WAS A LIE TO START WITH. its a sad commentary on the human condition. this whole war on pot was started NOT BECAUSE IT HAS A DRUG IN IT......it was because it would have reduced the use of COTTON as a fiber crop. dont belive me? google HEMP CLOTHES. the nation was told a lie BY THE GOVT and perpetuated it into what it is today.this is the guy and his reasoning to make it illegal HIS WORDS IN 1934, some people think like this today sad. Harry J. Anslinger, head of then "new"Federal Bureau of Narcotics: “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
Funny OP how much you preach healthy diet yet promote a product with one helpful ingredient and hundreds of harmful ones. Just saying
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
I can relate to what Joey says about hard drugs for medicine versus pot. Look how many people are addicted to their pain meds.
I don't need any of that stuff, I got the Lord! Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Dave, are you talking about gasoline?
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Bob, when you say you cant imagine that the use of either is beneficial personally nor socially, it sounds as tho you've never tried pot. Is that true?
And in any case, do you think that the gvmt spending billions of dollars, filling the prisons, and turning Mexico into a war zone is beneficial? Personally, perhaps?
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Dennis, this may surprise you. I would be in favor of some loosening of the criminalization of weed ONLY. I fail to see how locking up youths and old morons helpful. I am quite sure it is way overkill, however I am in favor of there being a harsh social stigma associated with it.
My only point is this. Would I forever give up some small pleasure in order to lessen the harmful effects that alcohol and weed has on so many victims? In a heartbeat, I would. But I know that there is obviously a demand for it. All my life I have heard it said that prohibition was an abject failure...well that depends upon what your objective was. If it was cutting down on the amount of drinking in America, so folks would behave better than when under the influence? I strongly suspect that consumption went way down. This always happens when something is outlawed and its price goes way up. The awful results that arose from prohibition I do not down-play at all. The savagry and the lengths to which some would descend to get and provide alchol may be our proof of its unsavory nature in itself. I've never heard of a man blowing a pay-check, beating his wife and children due to the results of a glass of warm milk. I am afraid that I have drifted into building up a straw-man in order to knock him down.
Back to pot. Some mercy twards first and second timers, little for sellers, sever penalties for adults who sell to kids. I would suggest a system of increasing fines that may make the ones with any hope left turn around. Again I stress this is for Pot only.
Man this is fun, but not sign related at all.
Dennis, I have had about as many youthful indiscretions as any, I suppose. The specifics of which I shall hold closely to my own vest.
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
When they started allowing private non-goverment stores to sell hard liquor, I did about over 150 trucks from just one company. They are a liquor distributor. If this thing really gets going, just think how many more vehicles (distrubutors) I may be doing. Box trucks with a big Zig-Zag guy on the sides. Bring it on,,,,, I'm so ready!
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Marijuana is not a drug and never has been a drug. Marijuana is an herb which grows freely same as any herb.
A Drug is something that has been transformed by man from either a plant, a flower or from chemicals. People can be so ridiculously stupid just by their non education.
And Bob, not one person ever overdosed or died from smoking marijuana. Our founding fathers in our country cultivated both marijuana and hemp and it was the likes of persons like DuPont who suppressed its values in our country so it would not hurt his investments in his paper industry while killing our forests.
Alcohol is another waste of life and those who drink it either kill themselves from it or kill others from driving drunk.
Same goes for those who put their lives in the hands of those who spew hatred towards anyone which doesn't agree with their own views while being tax exempt. Take for example our elections, God has spoken you have lost...
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Bob, you're full of wishful thinking and avoiding facts -- alcohol consumption went up during Prohibition, not down, and a lot of it was deadly home-made stuff. Drug and pot use have gone up since the WOD started. Mexico was a peaceful place in 1960, now Americans are warned against traveling there. And as for your firm idea that pot has no benefits, who are you to speak for everybody? Millions of people disagree with you, obviously.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Back in the days of the Pharaohs ---
The Goddess Seshat, with a pipe and hemp leaves on her headdress.
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
I would like to see your statistical substantiation that alcohol consumption went up during prohibition. In any case I said that i suspect that it went down.
Dennis, have you ever thought that those who buy the stuff create the demand and should bear some of the responsibility for what has happened in Mexico? I've seen too much destruction and wasted potential from that stuff. Perhaps I am avoiding some facts, like it is a human problem more so than a chemical one. And if it is a human problem than surely it is a moral one. That is exactly where I started. It would be better for all to not have it at all if it would spare the misery of so many. If you do find out the statistic on the consumption I would be interested in being corrected.
Joey, I do not know nor hang out with any haters. So I'm going to assume that your statement was broad and directed at who knows? If it was at me, Sir, it was misdirected. And at the risk of confusing you. You are closer to correct than you may believe about the elections. The Almighty was not at all surprised by the outcome.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
dave, you make an assumption about pot without any experience with it. YOU TYPIFY the people who listened to the people back in 1934.....and took their mantra as gospel truth. dave.........LIKE JOEY SAID it an HERB... if you care to delve into all the things it good for, BESIDES having THC as part of its makeup, you might then see something different. besides that i can tell you i havent been high since the mid 80's.......when i had a ery good firend who made trips from sarasota, to jamica...mon)))))))heres another good old smokin tune for us old "pot heads." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0 Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
Dennis,
HERE I COME TO THE RESCUE.....GOD, FORGIVE ME, BUT I LOVE CONTROVERSY !!!
What is hemp? Hemp is a variety of cannabis that is grown for the fiber and seeds. The fiber and seeds are incredible valuable and is why hemp is often called a “cash crop”. Hemp is a very hearty plant and grows very quickly in very diverse soil conditions. Cultivation of hemp for industrial purposes has been done by many civilizations for over 12,000 years. Industrial hemp was the desired fiber used to manufacture rope, canvas, paper, and clothing until alternative textiles and synthetics for these purposes were discovered. Although China has been the largest hemp producer over the years, other countries such as Australia and Canada are catching up. It is illegal for anyone to grow hemp in the United States as hemp is illegal under the marijuana prohibition act (see hemp history). Now hemp oils, hemp plastics, hemp building materials and many hemp fiber products can be seen and purchased on the market. Hemp is truly an amazing plant with the potential to help “green up” many industries. Still wondering What is Hemp? or want to learn more?
Hemp leaves Traditionally, hemp fiber has been a very coarse fiber when raw, which made it well suited to rope but less than ideal for clothing designed to be worn against delicate human skin. Advances in breeding of the plants and treatment/processing of the fibers have resulted in a much finer, softer hemp fiber, which is ideal for weaving into hemp clothing, fabrics and rope. Watch the video on Hemp for victory to learn more about the importance of hemp during war times. The “re-”growth of industrial hemp in the United States is heavily regulated, although the neighbouring nation of Canada successfully grows hemp commercially. Since becoming legal to grow again in Canada, the crop has taken off and has become a booming multi-million dollar export. Hemp building materials are another growing segment of the hemp industry. Canada is now a leader in the global hemp food/health marketplace. Canadian hemp products can be found in many hemp markets now in the United States and the world over. In addition to providing useful fibers, hemp seed also has high nutritional value. and the plant can be used to make biodegradable plastics, some fuels, and a variety of other things. Hemp foods including but not limited to hemp energy bars, hemp salad dressing,hemp milk, hemp protein shakes, hemp oil gel caps and hemp protein powder are among some of the health products being produced today. Visit the Hemp University to learn more! Now when someone says “what is hemp?“, you can be the one that knows!
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO, BOB?.... CONVERT THIS BUNCH OF OL' TIMERS?....MAKE US SOUND LIKE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE SAYING?.....THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER.....FOR THE RECORD, DO YOU REALIZE THAT BETWEEN OP, JOEY, DENNIS AND I THERE ARE OVER 290 YEARS OF LIFE EXPERIENCE?.....THEY, NOR I OR ANYBODY ELSE CARES......THIS IS NOTHING BUT THE PERENNIAL OLD STORY: "THE CHOICES WE MAKE, MAKE US WHO WE ARE".....SO, GIVE IT UP BROTHER.....THIS IS A SITE FOR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SIGNS....HOW ABOUT THAT?
....AND THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY ABOUT THIS....FOR NOW, OF COURSE.
RD
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Posted by Vance Galliher (Member # 581) on :
.........This is always an interesting discussion. i'm 71,…first smoked in texas, after the army, at the age of 26....and have been smoking/eating ever since .......with a years off now and then. ...my awakening years in texas, lead to the summer of love…haight-ashbury called….Berkeley California , telegraph ave ...the sixty ...... and I’ve tried most of them all, except the needle heavy stuff…….and pot just seems so natural with me …... I run, ran a marathon, workout, am health conscious.………………and love what i do….. and I’m good at it.......... and pot should be decriminalized
we as a nation spend too much time and expense on this “war” …..there are other, more reasonable ways to invest this money
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
My view is my view and just as valid as anyone else's Ricardo.
For the record i am amused at all of the historical hemp facts that are thrown out by the justifying side of the argument. I am willing to bet that none of those interesting tidbits were on your minds the first time that you toked, nor were they the reason anyone does. You want to get high pure and simple. Then you want everyone to agree that it is OK. Sorry I will not do that. Then we get to the next level which is all about rights, personal choice and freedom. I'll add that these appeals do have some merit if you could keep them in your smoke filled bubble/comfort zone. The fact is No man is an Island to himself and the choices that you make do affect the rest of us. The Confederacy had some high minded, noble sounding arguments as well...states rights, we're not the only ones benefitting from it, Who do you think Y'all are trying to tell us how to do things, etc. I do not have to remind you all that they were wrong for all of the the right reasons. Am I saying that Partaking of the herb is in any way comparable to owning another human?? Of coarse not I am comparing how arguments are framed for effect.
Enjoy your weekend everyone. Hahahahahah
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
And here another coal in the fire. What's worst for our health,,,white refined sugar or marijuana? I don't smoke pot but I sure eats lots and lots of sugar. I bleed maple syrup.
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
OP, I base my views on what I have read from medical journals, not from assumptions and not from people on the street. Experience at smoking pot does not make you informed about it, it's ingredients, it's potential hazards, or it's benefits. Scientific research does. And it's a fact that filling your lungs with ANY type of smoke is not healthy. That's all I meant.
Alicia, please please back off on the sugar. Research is showing it's true toxicity and probably a very strong carcinogen.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
WELL DAVE........you know, YOU just might be wrong......if you never smoked it you will never know.....you can JUST ASSUME and go by what documents and other people YOU CHOOSE to glen that information from)))))so that takes you right back to 1934 thinking))))
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
Joe,
This exchange began with you sharing a video of KC and His Sunshine Boys..... It would appear that, because of the twist that was given to your gesture, we forgot to thank you for sharing KC's video.....So,now, I would like to thank you for sharing it......It did remind me of some very good times.......When we did not have so many judgemental people in our lives, thinking that we needed their permission and approval to be able to live and make our own choices, whether they were good or bad....
I do miss those days.....and thanks, again for sharing the video.
RD
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
OP, re-read my posts. I have not taken a stand for or against smoking pot. I absolutely couldn't care less what YOU put in your body. All I was saying is that you have preached many times in this forum about healthy lifestyle changes you have made. ANY smoke is harmful to your lungs, whether it's pot, a burning steak, your burning house, or gasoline, it is harmful. The answer? Put it in your brownies. Much healthier.
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
Can you use hemp oil to clean your brushes?
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
There are apparently more uses for the stuff than George Washington Carver found for peanuts, Kelly.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Interesting info, that kinda mirrors the Sisal and Hennequen plants found here in Yucatan.
Hemp is a plant that is related to the one that produces marijuana.
Sisal and Hennequen are plants grown for producing rope and fabrics too, but they are in the Agave family, which are the plants used in the production of Tequila.
We have agave plants growing in the beach front side of our home here, but I don't think I am gonna try distilling tequila, nor starting up a rope factory!!!
Does a Hemp plant mean it is a marijuana producing plant?
Does an Agave or Hennequen plant mean it is a Tequila producing plant?
I'm kinda curious.
Posted by Kevin Mann (Member # 7161) on :
i'm getting the munchies with all the comments. Here in Cali I did quite a few Medical Marijuana stores. Yeh, then the Feds struck back, last I knew only one is still open that I painted. Always paid cash-usually in ones and fives. Sure fattened up the wallet.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Only certain types of hemp produce pot.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Bob, you're correct in thinking alcohol use went down during Prohibition. It did, at first, but then it rose again. The main thing, tho, is that it created a big bunch of more serious problems. Instead of holding fast to your simple idea that pot is bad and the thing to do is outlaw it, try reading up a little on the facts. Here are a couple articles to get you going. They're interesting stuff.
Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure | Mark Thornton | Cato Institute ... www.cato.org/publications/policy.../alcohol-prohibition-was-failure - Cached Jul 17, 1991 ... Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Alcohol became more dangerous to consume; ...
Did Alcohol Use Decrease During Alcohol Prohibition? druglibrary.org/prohibitionresults1.htm - Cached First, use of alcohol decreased significantly during Prohibition. This decrease in turn lead to a marked decrease in the incidence of cirrhosis of the liver. Finally ...
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Kelly, this is for you:
Hemp seed oil has a reputation as a versatile substance that is beneficial to us due to its Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio and its content of essential fatty acids. Hemp seed oil is 80% essential fatty acid, the highest amount of any other plant. And because hemp seed oil so closely matches our own skin lipids, it is able to penetrate our cells and lubricate the surfaces between them.
Benefit 1. The 3:1 ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 fatty acids is important in preventing heart disease and promoting heart health. The same ratio is thought to be helpful in alleviating the symptoms of skin conditions like acne, psoriasis and ezcema. Hemp is the only plant containing Vitamin D, which is necessary for calcium absorption. This is especially helpful to those on a vegan diet.
Benefit 2. People who use hemp seed oil products have reported that after they begin to use hemp seed oil, they have seen smoother, thicker hair, stronger nails and softer skin. In addition, the balance of essential fatty acids in hemp seed oil have benefits for nearly every body cell in helping your body to fight and ward off degenerative diseases including cancer and cardiovascular diseases.
Benefit 3. Hemp seed oil is also a good source of gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) which makes the oil a rival to flax seed oil and Evening Primrose Oil. It is also an excellent alternative to fish oil supplements -- fish have been reported to be contaminated by mercury as well as other toxins. Nursing mothers and pregnant women may wish to use hemp seed oil instead of fish oil, as they reduce their intake of fish but maintain the level of essential fatty acids. Hemp seed oil has been found to be helpful in relieving pre-menstrual tension as well.
Benefit 4. Hemp seed oil products contain a beneficial amount of amino acids, and vitamin E as well. It is a natural antioxidant, and the oil doesn't stick to your skin as many oils have a tendency to do. It is rich in not only Omega-3 and Omega-6, but also Omega-9 -- this will allow hemp seed oil to moisturize your skin and keep it healthy - and it does this without clogging your pores. Potassium and calcium are also found in hemp seed oil products, making it even healthier for your skin.
Benefit 5. Hemp seed oil contains ingredients that gives it unique anti-inflammatory properties that are not often found in other oils. This, added to its antioxidant properties, allows hemp oil to detoxify and clean your skin, as well as evening out your skin tone.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
By the way, Hemp is legally grown in Canada and legally imported to the United States, yet is illegal to grow here. Hemp has hundreds of uses... Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
and i have one more song to bring back those "good old days." aaaaaaaaaaah just listening to this....gets me right here))))) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0 Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
Now that was an interesting read this morning, and for the most part everyone stayed Civil, well then again, we did stay civil....I don't smoke the stuff all that much myself, maybe one or two times in the last year or so, I just can't stand the side effects....I can't stop seating, it's actually crazy....lol. I bet it would be good for some people who are sick and have no appetite...
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Dennis, I to did the Google search as well, with anything on the Internet you can find what you want to find. Here is a pretty fair piece in the NEW YORK TIMES (Rarely called conservative) that seemed to be pretty fair. It states plainly that horrible things happened as a result of the Law but that consumption did drop so did public drunkenness arrests and institutionalization to mental hospitals for alcohol related problems. It also says that drinking rates rose after the repeal. Oh to be fair it is in the opinion section.
Interesting facts which are disputed by those who have their own agenda... Whatever that may be
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
neil, people who are having kemo/radiation treatment do pot simple for that reason..........it gives them an appetite
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Joey...You are correct. In our area of Ontario there are many fields of hemp being grown legally...
BUT....
They are also enclosed within high barbed wire fences. I am guessing so that other varieties of hemp won't be planted nor harvested?
I have no positive nor negative opinions of smoking or ingesting pot.
To each their own. A Democrat can't "switch" a Republican. A "straight" can't "switch" a "gay".
A "Born again Christian" can't switch a pot smoker or a drinker. Unless they want to be switched. And that doesn't happen very often.
I would love to state my opinions about the outcome of the recent USA Presidential elections...but it really has no place here, just like the "pot" smoking topic.
BUT, these topics do haul people out of the woodwork!!! And Joe is good at hauling folks out!!! Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Unless they want to be switched. perhaps the most truthful statement in this whole sorted thread, Dave. A changed heart. What a lovely idea.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Yeah, I saw that NYTimes piece, Bob. So what did you think of the two I suggested for you? Or, as you say, is it impossible to change anybody's thinking if they dont want to be changed?
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Joey, where do you get the hemp seed oil and how do you use it? I've had eczema for the last couple years, so I might give it a try. Nothing else works.
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Dennis, I was hoping for real stats, not agenda driven spin from either side. Consumption dropped or it did not. Its probably hopeless.
Its a habit I am blessed to have avoided. Coffee and overeating is a different issue.
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
Coffee, man now that is something I can not drink, used to drink a lot of it, had to give it up about 5 years ago, just a couple of sips andit can make me quite nervous and jittery.lol
Yes OP Doctors suggested that my Poor Brother try Pot to increase his appetite when he was going through all the cancer treatments.. it may have worked for a while but in the end the Cancer won...
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Been sitting back here just listening...I do admire my good buddy Bob for standing up for what he believes is right...however that does seem to get him into a bit of a pickle now and again...something he might wear as badge of honor...and I can understand that...but Bob is going to be on the wrong side of history on this one...pot is going to be legal...it's just a matter of time...just like gay marriage...today we know that pot is illegal for the most part in the US... but my question to Bob is not whether pot should be legal or illegal...but rather is smoking pot a moral issue...and if so...Why.
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Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
I wish this type of interest in Letterville was generated on other topics. There you go Rusty, let's start a gay marriage thread, nothing else seems to be going on.
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
I wish this type of interest in Letterville was generated on other topics. There you go Rusty, let's start a gay marriage thread, nothing else seems to be going on.
Posted by Gene Uselman (Member # 2508) on :
Don't inhale.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Here's my two cents on this, first let me qualify myself, I have lived on both sides of this fence so I am fully qualified to give my opinion from both angles.
Marijuana alters the mind, each puff lasts for 30 days in the head, consistant use will certainly change one's view on many things in life. If you don't believe me try removing it from your life for at least 90 days straight. with that being said, I did vote to legalize it for medicinal use in Mass. It does have qualities that can be useful for those in pain I'm sure. As for recreational use. I'm sure it will be legalized at some point, but that doesn't make it a healthy item for the user and or people around them. It is extremely addictive and is used by many to deal, cope, hide or escape from reality. I am proof positive that there are so many true real, healthy ways in this world to do all that and so much more than marijuana can do for any human on a recreation basis.
I have lived 23 consecutive years back to back free from the bondage of it, and I can say life is So much better than my best day using it.
to each his own. I do not think it should be legalized for recreational use. just my two cents.
Maybe it will help me spell better
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Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
What was here has been deleted by me because it was not helpful.
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Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Please write down two lists for me. 1) How smoking pot improves my life? 2) How smoking pot harms my life?
Please be honest when you do it. I also suspect that it will be difficult for you to objectively list the detrements because you might be blinded o some. For example: Others in a position to help you along,customers, employers, etc. may feel the way I do but will not be kind/bold enough to tell you. They will simply pass you by knowing that your habits are not worth their risking a professional or personal association. How many people in your life that you care about have been hurt or embarrassed, because you are using? How do you tell a young person who should be looking up to you as an example or mentor, that it is really OK to use some mind altering substances but not others? Everyone else wrong and thinking like they did in the 1930's? Just try to keep it to yourself, actually it is good for you?
This is not a list of all the potential of it as a plant nor the products that can be made from it.
Rusty this controversy really could not be complete with out your participation, my good friend and partner in agition. Maybe the list challenge helps you see why I view it as a moral issue. I have tried to keep this on a secular level but we could go into the Book of Proverbs and apply this to the ones that address drunkeness maybe even sloth or others which encourage us to be our brothers keeper. But I'll not judge anyone who does not hold to the validity of such worn out old dogma. Say, who's all in favor of dogs fraternizing with cats?
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
BOB, is right about the 27-30 day retention of THC in your body. but the body has a set pattern of regeneration in about that same period with or without pot in it. as for things screwing up your body, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS are by far worse then pot. pot(thc)is a "natural" molecular structured chemical. the human body CAN and does eliminate these molecules easily. now a lot of SCRIPT DRUGS, are altered molecular structured. so once put into your body........ITS THERE FOR ANYWHERE FROM 7 YEARS or the rest of your life. THORAZINE, psychotropic, drug is a 7 year drug if you take 1 pill. AMEODERONE, arrhythmia drug for heart patients ONCE TAKEN.....remains in your body till you die. so the harmful effects of pot is way less then some drugs people take every day. now as for the ADDICTIVE side of pot, i can speak from experience and from a drug counselor aspect. ADDICTIVE PERSONALITIES will always find some thing to be addicted to)))) alcohol, pot, heroine, sex, food and this includes OCD people. the "drug" addiction is not the the problem, its THE PSYCHOLOGY of the ADDICTED!!!! i seen this in so many people while in drug rehab & working as a counselor ,most dont get better they just trade one addiction for another. lot of AA, NA people give up the drug and now have a MEETING ADDICTION, or a GOD/BIBLE ADDICTION. myself, the ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY does not exist. YES, i have smoked pot, i tried to drink beer, i tried to drink whiskey, i did cocaine a few times, hell i even did pure OPIUM.........now there is a drug of drugs))))) I STAY AWAY FROM THAT ONE FOR SURE)))) in all of my attempts to be "like everybody else"....i failed. my body just dont like and wont let me get a feeling of euphoria while druged. my last surgery may 2011, the doctor gave me 2 PERCA SET right after the surgery....i complained to him...because it put me so far in lala land....i didnt like it. when iam in pain 1/2 a 7.5 HYDORCODONE makes the pain stop. as for pot, wifes nephew did 2 years hard time, for selling 1 joint to someone he believed was his friend.........turned out to be a narc. the kid has never done anything else wrong in his life, but now has a prison record. and this will follow him for the rest of his life. people who drive drunk and killed someone, doesnt get as harsh a punishment.
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Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
QUOTING BOB:
"Please write down two lists for me. 1) How smoking pot improves my life? 2) How smoking pot harms my life?
Please be honest when you do it. I also suspect that it will be difficult for you to objectively list the detrements because you might be blinded o some. For example: Others in a position to help you along,customers, employers, etc. may feel the way I do but will not be kind/bold enough to tell you. They will simply pass you by knowing that your habits are not worth their risking a professional or personal association. How many people in your life that you care about have been hurt or embarrassed, because you are using? How do you tell a young person who should be looking up to you as an example or mentor, that it is really OK to use some mind altering substances but not others? Everyone else wrong and thinking like they did in the 1930's? Just try to keep it to yourself, actually it is good for you?
This is not a list of all the potential of it as a plant nor the products that can be made from it."
WHAT IS THIS? .... AN INTERVENTION ?.....CONDUCTED BY ONE PERSON, ON ALL OF US?.....IT SEEMS THAT YOU, BOB, REALLY, BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE, ON EARTH, IN POSSESSION OF THE BOOK OF THE TRUTH.....BOB, NOW YOU ARE ASKING US TO WRITE TWO LISTS ( SEE ABOVE )......ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
MAN, GIVE IT UP, ALREADY...... NOW,I NOTICE THAT, ON TOP OF SOUNDING CONDESCENDING, YOU ARE, ALSO,BEGINNING TO INFILTRATE RELIGION INTO THE SUBJECT.
WOW....YOU ARE, REALLY, OBSESSED WITH THIS TOPIC, BOB.
GIVE IT UP, MAN.
RD
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Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
Okay, Since the election, I haven't seen anybody walking down the street smoking a doobie yet. I quess most are still afraid to take that chance. Maybe they'll have a statewide "Light Er Uup" day.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
I've only smoked 3 times in my life...the first 2 times had no effect on me...made me wonder why one would pay money for the stuff...but the 3rd time was nice...and listening to my music was quite an enjoyable experience...but even then it was very subtle...nothing dramatic...but I got to say if it was legal in Tennessee...tonight I would put on a little Bach...or maybe Pachelbel's Canon in D on continous play and puff the dragon...and all the while feeling no guilt whatsoever that I was performing an immoral act...because I would not be.
[ November 12, 2012, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Brent Logan (Member # 6587) on :
Dennis,
Last time I was in SF I went to a few music venues and you'd have thought pot was already legal there. People openly smoked in the bars... However you had to go outside to smoke tobacco.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
LOL Brent!!!
Reminds of a ski trip I went on with my son and bunch of his co-workers. It was a bus trip and there was lots of beer on the bus. But no smoking tobacco on the bus. (and yet there was some pot being smoked on board the bus?)
As bus trips usually go, there were a couple of "pit stops" to get rid of the beer that had been consumed. After the relief part was taken care of, we could smoke on the sidewalk, but not consume alcohol.
Consume beer on the bus, smoke on the sidewalk....but not both at the same time or place!!! LOL
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
So, Bob, you dont want to legalize pot because you dont see the benefits of it, having never tried it. So you're in favor of continuing the War on Drugs? Great idea. You know why the country gave up on Prohibition? Because the cost, the corruption and violence it produced far outweighed any good intentions. Well, The WOD has far exceeded that. We've been at it for 50 years and have wasted way more money on it. More than half the people in prison are there for drug offenses. The Mexican cartels make the Mafia look like Boy Scouts, dumping a couple dozen headless bodies on a busy street every now and then, just to let the populace know who's running things.
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
I've never needed any chemical to feel better or alter my mood or get a "buzz". Did it, but it fell short of all the hype. I feel "high" most of the time (thanks to music like OP posted).
That being said, at this point in time I can tell you that once an employer scans your facebook and sees you tokin' your resume hits the shredder. Legal or not. Edited to add that my 6 & 8 year old know the lyrics to several of KC & SBand songs.
[ November 12, 2012, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: Mikes Mischeif ]
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Did you all hear about the ten-year-old boy who had never tried sex and said he didnt see the benefits of it, whereas he read all the time about its bad effects -- unwanted pregnancies, VD, jealousy, killings, exploitation of minors, and on and on, so he was convinced that it shd be outlawed. He also said that the fact that it had been going on for centuries and a lot of people said it was great couldnt change his mind on the subject.
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
For a number of personal reasons I choice to allow this discussion. So far you guys are doing your best to have an actual discussion without getting nasty and/or judgemental.
It's a changing World. Now that I'm an old guy, I often find myself longing for the "good old days."
Having said that, I am one of those who isn't very good at following rules.
Here in Ontario, we got very close to decriminalizing pot. Over 30,000 Canadians have prescriptions to "medical marijuana." The Ontario court has all sorts of pot charges on hold until our federal government finally makes a ruling.
I had all sorts more I'd love to share with you, but Barb reminded me that it's still illegal here in Ontario. Due to a childhood encounter with a loose, bicycle seat, I've always had a real big fear of jail. Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Steve, that last line was damn funny!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i thought you was gona say you got high and went around sniffin girls bicycle seats))))
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Dennis, you can buy Organic Hemp Seed Oil at most any health food store in the U.S. I do two tablespoons per day, the brand I buy is Nutiva, a Canadian company, 16oz bottle around $16.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
First time I entered into a sign shop and saw cans of paint without caps but skinned on top of the paint I got sick to my stomach. Later on I was just thinking how ignorant the signpainter was in regards to what he didn't know in regards to what the skin actually contained. 50 years later they still think the same way.
Some things never change Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Sign-makers. We are a varied and curious lot.
Steve, Your long-suffering through this post is refreshing.
Dennis, If you'll go back and reread some of what I have written you might see folly in some of the assumptions that have been made on my behalf. Please forgive me if I did not communicate well
I said that I was in favor of some decriminalization in one of my earliest posting. That I would give up some pleasures if it meant reducing some of the harm. To say that there is no harm at all seems silly.
Controlled substances are that, not because of those who might be using them in a more responsible manner. They are controlled because they are deemed harmful to society at large by those who simply will not be responsible. To dig in and say that that it is not fair that a few should ruin it for all the rest is childish. We always suffer through the consequences of others bad behavior as a general fact of life.
I must concentrate on sign-making today. I'll be back later in the week, I guess. Everyone have a nice day.
[ November 13, 2012, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: Bob Sauls ]
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
OK, my take on it. I was a regular user for many years, grew my own, the while nine yards. The main reason I quit was the fact I became a single parent and the stuff was and still is illegal. First off, puh lease don't compare it in any fashion to alcohol. The dangers just aren't there. If indeed it's terribly harmful, where are all these damaged people? Is it addictive? To a point but nothing like cigarettes, never mind alcohol. I've been around tons of pot heads and NEVER witnessed one loosing it because they ran out. I never once witnessed somebody going to desperate measures to obtain more. Sure, they might be a little grumpy until they scored but no big deal. Will it make you a changed person? Yes, more mellow, less anxious and possibly somewhat paranoid maybe even get into some lethargy. Would I rather be around somebody drunk or somebody stoned? That's a no brainer...I HATE DRUNKS!!! Ever see a bar fight break out because of a couple of stoners? Does it affect ones physical co ordination? Sure. I remember back to my days of racing on the dirt tracks. There were a couple of racers that got stoned and a couple that got drunk. The stoners let off for the turns way earler than the racers that weren't high....they drove pretty slow in comparison. The drunks....they didn't turn at all and drove straight into the wall. I haven't smoked regularly in decades. Do I feel it should be legal......YES! I'm done now. Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
OP is always high on something. Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Just a little extra note...Glad Steve is back with us...and like Steve...I too know that many lessons are to be learned from riding a bike with a loose seat...things one would prefer to avoid if at all possible.
Posted by Michael Clanton (Member # 2419) on :
I've never smoked it, but I have been around it my whole life - the county I grew up in was big growers and suppliers. I have had plenty of second hand experience (-the String Cheese Incident concert that I went to a few years ago turned out to be one giant doobie that would have made Cheech and Chong jealous... of course there was a lot of other stronger stuff being consumed... just thinking about it makes me want some Doritos and Twinkies) Yep- I'm a Jellyfish (SCI fans will get it) it was a very mellow "incident" and one of the few concerts I have been to where alcohol and fighting were strangely absent...
I made a decision many years ago to not partake- I am against putting mind altering things in my body on purpose (I have a hard enough time keeping my head on straight as it is) On a few occasions I have had some mind-altering experiences, and I really hated it- I must not have much to work with...
That said, I voted "FOR" medicinal pot- if it provides relief, I don't think it is anywhere near as harmful as the countless prescription drugs- do I think that a teenager should be lighting up, no way
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
The Main Reason I voted for it here in Colorado, is the Debate needed to be started and Hence it has.
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Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
My take, which you can combine with however many dollars and buy some legally in a couple states is...
It doesn’t really matter to me what laws like this are passed. Just because something is legal, available, or legal and available, doesn’t mean I have any interest in trying it out. I’ve never had a puff on any kind of cigarette and I never will. I’m not going to get drunk. I’m not going to cheat on my wife. I strive to drive the speed limit. That’s just the way I choose to live my life. It works well for me and I’m happy that way. I can’t and won’t try to force someone into my lifestyle.
We all have choices to make. Some choose differently. When we make a choice, whether we like it or not, we are also choosing to receive the results of our choices and some choices can have long term health and legal ramifications. For those adults who choose to partake, as far as I’m concerned, it’s all up to them.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
My food for thought, I buy nothing which I can grow. A simple strain I've grown this past season and will be cured by my birthday, the aroma is that of Blackberry with a hint of citrus. Blackberry Kush is quickly becoming an extremely popular strain for patients and caregivers
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
David,
Outstanding answer !!....My hat off to you !
RD
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
David, I agree wholeheartedly and applaud you for your beliefs. Yet my main concern at this time of my life is to remain painless as well as remain unattached to any drug which promotes addiction such as any man made drug, alcohol included. I have older friends who rib me for my taste in pain relief yet have no qualm of themselves taking any amount of medications prescribed by their doctors. Like Bill DeBekker I too relax and sleep a full night with the use of marijuana as well as knowing I'm not going to die in my sleep from its use as medications have been prone to do in many cases. I'm not going to preach of what others should do as their health hasn't anything to do with me unless they ask, but will say this, I will give my knowledge to anyone who asks just like I've done in regards to paint throughout the years here in Letterville, my website and on the phone. I believe that education is the key and will be very helpful when the time comes.
Adios my friend...
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i can tell you this........THE DREAMS i have when iam stoned are a lot better then the DREAMS i have when i take HYDROCODONE!!!!! that is one of the worst side effects of hydrocdone!!!! sometimes i wake from those dreams wonder how could i ever think stuff like that))))
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
Rusty, thanks for the link to Pachelbel's canon in D Major. A wonder piece to listen to, stoned or not.
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Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Joey, when you say you do two tablespoons per day, how do you take your oil -- straight up, on the rocks, over buckwheat cakes, baked into cookies, or mainlining?
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Dennis, For some reason I've always liked the taste of oils, from mineral oil, cod liver oil and any fish oil, I even break open the Vitamin E capsules and chew. Straight up is my cup'a tea. I truly believe you'll find your skin much smoother after the first month. It worked on my elbows within 10 days...
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
People with closed minds will never know what they missed.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
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Posted by stein Saether (Member # 430) on :
Dennis, try carbamide cream for your skin problems, only thing that works for mine
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
How do communist countries deal with pot use?
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Why? And if we did, why does Afghanistan grow the herb and our military is forbidden to interfere. why do some continue to live on lies while others live on truth.
Who is minus, who is plus? Education is the key to a successful life.
Do you know the difference between Marijuana and Hemp?
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
You guys don't give up......Here it is:
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEMP AND MARIJUANA?
Marijuana and hemp are different varieties of the same species of plant, Cannabis sativa L. There are different varieties of Cannabis, just as Chihuahuas and wolves are different breeds of Canis lupus. They are scientifically different and cultivated in different ways.
Marijuana is the flowering tops and leaves of psychoactive varieties of Cannabis that are grown for their high THC content.
It is used legally in some states, excluding Wisconsin, for medical reasons, and is used for recreational purposes as an illegal drug.
Unlike hemp, marijuana has a high THC (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) content and a low CBD (cannabidiol) content. CBD blocks the psychoactive effect of THC in the nervous system. That means in all plants in the Cannabis family, there is a chemical that will induce a psychoactive effect and another that will block it. The illegal drug is cultivated to have a THC content of anywhere from 3 percent to 22 percent. The ratio of CBD to THC is less than one.
Hemp, or industrial hemp, is a cultivated, low-THC variety of Cannabis. It is grown for its seeds, oil and fiber.
Industrial hemp has a low THC content compared to its CBD content. THC is typically less than 1 percent. Certified varieties in Canada and Europe are bred with the THC level purposefully decreased to less than .3 percent, the same THC level under recommendation if hemp farming is legalized in Wisconsin.
Ditch weed is hemp found growing in the wild, usually near places where it was once cultivated. It has a low THC level.
Sources: www.votehemp.com and "Hemp and Marijuana: Myths and Realities" By David West, Ph.D, for the North American Industrial Hemp Council
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Ricardo, I am very familiar with Hemp as well as an advocate for its legalization. BTW, the fields in Afghanistan are of the high THC level and are used for the manufacture of Hashish. This I know for certain. On the other hand as I said, I am an advocate for the legalization of Hemp and the stoppage of killing our forests as we need them. A Hemp plant is 120 days from seed to harvest which can be used the same way as a tree plus much more, a tree takes as little as 20 years to harvest. The legalization of Hemp can save our country but the cutting down of trees cannot save diddley. Greed is what put Hemp on the list and DuPont was the culprit, Henry Ford at the time didn't have the power to stop him and the rest is history. If you get a chance and have Netflix, check out the documentary " Hempsters " filmed in 2009
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Posted by Pete Payne (Member # 344) on :
The documentary 'GRASS' was on t.v. last night, it was great to watch, especially the old propaganda footage used to convince people of the dangers, funnier stuff than most comedies. Look it up if you get a chance. Great graphics too! www.imdb.com/title/tt0214730 Posted by Sonny Franks (Member # 588) on :
Just a little story: Some friends of mine decided after graduating high school they would drive to California - they made it as far as Kansas and decided to pull over and camp for the night. When they woke up the next morning, they found they were camping next to a field of hemp. Not knowing the difference, they thought they had hit the mother lode and tossed all their sleeping bags, luggage, coolers, tents and filled the trunk to the brim with marijuana, turned around and drove straight back to South Carolina. They called all their friends to come over and partake of their new bounty, but after about an hour of continuous puffing, nobody had a buzz and reality slowly began to rear its ugly head......
Posted by Michael Clanton (Member # 2419) on :
when i was a kid growing up, our county had a very crooked sheriff who turned out to be a pot kingpin- he knew everybody that was growing, and would let them do all the work including the harvesting- then he would come in, seize the harvest, arrest the growers, send the bulk of it to be processed to sell, and a small part was taken in for "evidence"- he had several abandoned chicken farms that had been covertly converted over to dry, process and package the crop. I remember one time he brought a ton (literally) of pot plants in on a raid- then made a big bonfire out in front of the courthouse- people came from miles! He later did prison time for trying to sell a large crop to a DEA agent, as they were walking into the county courthouse...
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
What did DuPont have to do with growing hemp?
Apparently, you can produce high-quality bond paper from hemp. Maybe that wd be the answer to the spiraling costs of paper (along with increasing bulk mail rates for the five lbs of junk mail delivered to me every day).
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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Dennis In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.
THE CONSPIRACY
Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.
Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.
WOW !!!....This one beats the video of Paul Harvey !!!
RD
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
Don't smoke it,
but sit in my hemp made chair with my hemp body lotion, taking my vitamins with hemp, have hemp sandals and clothes, next to a house that has some hemp products in it. I've used all of those products, Joey has on the picture, but I don't smoke it I want my lungs to work, especially after all those years of paint fumes got me down for a long time.
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
I remember when we all had this sort of passion for a movement called Letterheads. Remember?
That said, this thread was of special interest to me. I've been taking uo to 25 different pills a day since 1993. At one point, my Doc gave me 200 percs at a time. Add warafarin, prozac, oxycocet, dioxgen and a bunch of other stuff. Makes you wonder what happens when they all mix together.
What sort of bothers me is all this stuff is all very legal medicine. That's not all. If I do need a little something to relax, I can go buy all the alcohol I want. Cigarettes also remain legal.
After extensive research online, I am so far unable to find anyone who has ever died or even Od'ed using pot. Depite being around some 50 years, I can't find anyone who got cancer from smoking pot. Those that use it as a medicine usually recommend a vaporizer instead of smoking.
If there is something that helps people feel better without all the side effects of today's powerful painkillers, I can see no reason why someone who already knows the dangers of alcohol firsthand can go to jail for having a puff or two instead of a sip of wine.
You guys are Family. I was very pleased to see a discussion where we all treated each other with respect for different opinions. Wayne said it best. Education and moderation is the key.
It's time to move on. I could create a Potville site, but I'm still convinced there are some of us that are still addicted to Letterheads and sharing our knowledge and experiences.
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