Something about it is bothering me but I can't put my finger on it. It will be a vinyl window graphic. Hand painting and gold leafing on glass this is way outside the client's budget.
A frosted window design will be done in vinyl.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Thinking it through........
Posted by Preston McCall (Member # 351) on :
The "C" looks too much like a "G" IMHO. Cut back the bottom tail a bit?
The 3 windows, with the same image.... I kinda like it, but maybe it would be better to use the logo once and a bolder band across the other two with the same type of floral ornamentation? Or maybe even use the logo on the first and last, with some floral in the middle? Love the flowers.
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Three alike will be fine in the frosted vinyl.
Remove the light blue from the letters and add it to the inside of the border as an inset accent. I am also thinking that your floral dingbats are far to interesting in styling and detail, they should be a bit more subtle. Theses things can become the main graphic message if we are not careful.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
Lose the oval.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
And 'frosted' is not effective for signage.
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
What about Printed Frosted?, we do this and it looks awesome! Almost like stained glass.
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
I agree with Preston. The C looks like a G.
Posted by Ron Costa (Member # 3366) on :
In my humble opinion, The serifs on the G interfere with the Cs causing a subliminal "G:". Reduce the size of the C, M, C a bit and cast a drop shadow on the underlying letter. I agree with Bob on the light blue relocation, but the contrast between the black outline to blue oval background will have to be increased.
Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
Agrees the C looks like G
Likes name on glass without oval ( center one )brings out the frosted glass better, nice image
Maybe the oval up above but I like what ya have, maybe a smaller oval same size copy
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. I just fired the client a few moments ago.
Time to move on to the next project.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
This sounds like a good story.... would you care to elaborate?
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Between the time of our initial meeting and taking a deposit for the logo design work and our meeting this morning, she had a talk with ......an architect.
Somehow, he convinced her that Avant Garde and Papyrus were the perfect typestyles to use for a "turn of the century country french" theme for her restaurant.
When I showed her the preliminary design work that I did, it was "unacceptable" saying it looked too much like "Cheers" the tv show. She then showed me the "design" the architect did for free (gag)and asked for her deposit back.
I told her deposits were non-refundable (as it states on the workorder she signed). She became irate, told me that she's "an artist too" and she was going to do her own design work.
I smiled, wished her well and started to leave. As I was leaving, she told me that she may have other work for me and that she expected the deposit be applied to it. I told her I didn't think that would be happening.
The architect's "free design" was "City Market Cafe" in Avant Garde (reg. weight) in all caps with "Good food, good friends" in Papyrus in upper/lower case. The "design" calls for the window lettering to be medium brown to match the brown awning.
[ September 19, 2012, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
Glenn that's Funny! Sorta...
Posted by Don Hulsey (Member # 128) on :
The morals to the story is...Ya git what ya pay fer, but sometimes ya has ta pay fer things ya just don't git.
No matter what you show them, some people just will not understand the value of a well designed sign. Well done, and well played Mr. Taylor.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
At times I feel like my life is being narrated by Paul Harvey in one of his "rest of the story" stories.
Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
Wow .. Your design looked so good & had such a great looking image, easy to be a noticeable brand & very upper class the neighborhood kinda feel to it in any form chosen, that really surprises me to choose a plain book reading sign over yours even after deposit payed & not reading what it says before agreeing. Well hope the deposit was good enough & be a great sales tool in shop, if ya want to bother with it.
Take a picture of finished sign next to yours free design vs paid. not much ya have say after that the picture will speak a 1,000 words for sure.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Wow...Avant Garde and Papyrus together...unlike many fonts...these fonts conjure up specific times in history...and might I say very different times in history...if used together I would think they would convey quite a confusing message...but who are we to question the architect.
Posted by Jean Shimp (Member # 198) on :
Way to go Glen! Posted by Brian Oliver (Member # 2019) on :
I would have fired her too.
At least they weren't insisting on Comic Sans. That would have been a paddlin'.
Posted by Dan Beach (Member # 9850) on :
He sure dug deep in the toolchest to pull out the Papyrus...
Speaking of, I went to a fancy restaurant in Aspen that had their logo and every word on their menu in Papyrus. Naturally, I wanted to leave immediately...
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
Wouldn't it be nice if when we fire a customer all the comments from our social networking of professional sign artists were copied and sent to the client so they realize what idiots they are? Lol that would be priceless. Client opens their email and get a barrage of quotes telling them how wrong they really are. Posted by Keith Jenicek (Member # 11121) on :
Glen-
From an appreciation side, where did you get those flowers? or did you create them?
Thanks!
[ September 26, 2012, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: Keith Jenicek ]
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
I wish I could say that I created them, but I have nowhere near such talent. The flowers are part of my morgue collection that I've assembled over the years. I think they were part of a tutorial I ran across on the web 4 or 5 years ago.
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
I'm sure I've seen this thread or somethng like it a few years ago-deja-vu maybe... but the C that too closely resembles the G reminded me of it.
Two things-is it considered OK not to have the / over the E of Cafe?
Re the scrolls-I know the job is now dead, but the scroll you've used underneath opens outwards, while the scroll on top is open towards the text, and the final 'flyaway' line dives into the top line of text, on top. I'd delete the top scroll, and take the bottom one, duplicate it & rotate it 180 degrees-that's make it fit better, though I'm not overly rapt in them- a bit bold & not quote subtle enough for my preference!
Well done though!
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Thanks Ian.
Speaking strictly for my town of Wilson, use of the accent mark is relative to prices on the menu.
Yeah, the top scroll bothered me but I didn't know why. I really need to spend more time studying the proper use of scrolls. I should have caught that.
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