and was wanting some advice from the sign gurus of Letterville...Firstly let me say that there is absolutely no one in my neck of the woods that will go for real gold...so I used one shot metallic gold on the letters and flligree...I have done this in the past...and of course every time the metallic look leaves and the color darkens sooner than I would like...can I treat the one shot metallic with anything that will lengthen the metallic look.
[ July 23, 2012, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by goddinfla (Member # 1502) on :
One Shot metallic brass actually looks more like gold and doesn't darken.
Posted by Tim Barrow (Member # 576) on :
oops dbl post,....
[ July 23, 2012, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Tim Barrow ]
Posted by Tim Barrow (Member # 576) on :
you will need to use a paint that uses mica powder instead of metallic pigments,..the one shot metallic pigments are basically metal shavings(bronzing powders) and thus tarnish whereas the mica powders retain there original appearance because they cannot break down any further. mica powders can be bought at most any automotive paint supplier and mixed with a suitable exterior clear to get much better results
Posted by Frank Smith (Member # 146) on :
Ronan Aqua Leaf uses the mica— you just have use 3 coats. It's worth the effort.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
HoK metallic gold, Bill Diaz and George Perkins and I use it.
Posted by DianeBalch (Member # 1301) on :
Modern Masters - Gold Metalic Irredescent paint looks so much like gold! It covers well and is shiny.
They are in California and you can order online.
Diane
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Diane...how long would you say the Modern Masters Irredescents hold their shine.
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Rusty, I have taken to using the Modern Masters on somethings (Garden View and Canopy Oaks). It is latex and is sold as an exterior paint. I do not have the track record to swear to it color fastness. It does have a better brilliance than the Metallic Gold or the Brass mentioned in my opinion. Take care to pruchase the proper kind, they come in: Shear (very transparent), Semi-transparent & opaque. Olympic Gold covers very well but is not as bright as Pharoe's Gold which is semi-trans. I will do a coat of Olympic followed by Pharoe's on occasion. It is less of an issue if you are painting textured pieces.
Beautiful work and a prime canidate for the M.M. I would think.
[ July 24, 2012, 03:13 AM: Message edited by: Bob Sauls ]
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
One shot gold is essentially BROWN in color.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
HOK like Joey said will work very well. For this application, I might tend to recommend Kemp's Permagild. Extremely brilliant and holds up well.
This is a beautiful sign and just screams for 23 kt. I don't do this sort of work but I can't imagine going with 23 kt would at that much to the price at least percentage wise. How much more time would it take to actually gild this, I know sizing it would be the same as painting the letters.
Posted by Joe Cieslowski (Member # 2429) on :
Another vote for Kemp Permagild if you have to use paint.
I'm also with George on an up sell to the real thing....on this sign, it doesn't look like you'd use more than a book.....per side.
Joe,
Makin Chip$ and Havin Fun!
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
Looks to me like two books of gold would cover the letters, stripe and knobs. At $2 a leaf, that's only $100. Pushing the word WEALTH seems to call out for 24K leaf. That could be gilded in less than an hour per side.
Posted by Joy Kjer (Member # 3026) on :
Can't comment on the paint but just had to say what a beautiful bunch of signs in that folder! Very inspiring.
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
I've been using Ronan Aqua Leaf Brass quite a bit lately. After a couple years, it still looks very good. I don't have any longer term experience than that.
Beautiful work, Rusty!
Edited to add: The Aqua Leaf doesn't cover worth a flip and needs several coats over a white primer. I've also used the Modern Masters Iridescent Gold and Pharoah's Gold, which are equally nice. When I'm lettering awnings, I prefer the Ronan to the Modern Masters because masking strips away from it easier.
[ July 24, 2012, 08:30 AM: Message edited by: David Harding ]
Posted by Bill Diaz (Member # 2549) on :
HOK all the way, hey, hey, hey!
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
That sign is gorgeous. Too bad they won't go for gold. It would have no equal with real gold leaf.
Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
WOW what beautiful work ya do impressive and inspiring.
Anyway what about variegated leaf ?
Wondering if it will have a good shine for a fair amount of time, or does it discolor later ? outside
Seeing your work and a statement they will not pay extra with quality finished work like that they are really missing out, just wondering if ya can start up selling them by using variegated, then real gold latter as they get use to the shine and how nice it looks
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Sorry you can't get them to spring for the real thing, Rusty. You'd think, with the price of the blasted signs to begin with............
I've had pretty good luck with Sherwin-Williams Sher Klear. You could brush it on over your One Shot, and it will give it some decent protection.
Posted by Kent Smith (Member # 251) on :
I am with Rick. When you let your customers dictate what material you use, they win. Pricing a sign as a finished advertising medium of quality will allow you to use the right materials for the job.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Thanks for all the info guys...the sign gurus of Letterville have saved the day once again.
Posted by Terry Colley (Member # 1245) on :
Rusty, can you tell us more about the costs on this one ? looking at all that is involved in the general construction of a beautiful sign I am at a loss as to why gold takes it over budget, I could not imagine putting that amount of work into a sign then painting one shot instead of leaf. to say no one ever goes for gold in your neck of the woods is enough reason to do gold on the odd job just to show how good it is and get the work out there . Also at what cost to you is the repaint ?
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
I am with Terry and Rick on this one. Even with the high cost of gold these days, it wouldn't take that much to do it on a sign like this and would get the gold out there for people to see... and want.
You don't even have to "sell" them the gold. As little percentage as the gold would add to the total of the job, just submerge it into the price and surprise them with it as a value added bonus you did for them "just because it needed it". They'll think they got the upgrade from paint for free, you'll be the good guy, and it will help sell others on getting it. I wouldn't worry about the competition, I doubt there's any other real options in your market for getting the quality of what you offer.
Posted by John Arnott (Member # 215) on :
Hey Rusty, I learned something a long time ago that has helped sell quality jobs. Never even try to sell them gold leaf. Just use it and incorporate some cost into the job. As time goes by, more and more will want it because your photos will look so good!
PS....I just tried some gold leaf metalic powder (Mayan Gold #77) mixed with quick dry size. Wow...this looks great for "Fake Gold"
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
Was it Pat King who said, "Put a little gold leaf in every job, and then every job is a gold job"?
I remember the quote, just not the quotee...
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Pat King worked from a KillerKart Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
first off AWESOME SIGNS in that portfolio.
As much that is posted about the failures of oneshot I don't understand why you guys keep posting about it not holding up. Can you not read? Do you not believe? I dont understand. Oneshot is not what it used to be STOP USING IT AND EXPECTING IT TO LAST!...as a matter of fact go in your shop right now and throw it all away
Posted by Marty Happy (Member # 302) on :
How about taking a sample with you of painted gold and real gold after a year or two outdoors?
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