Customer wants an outdoor substrate for his sign (to stick vinyl on) which is 80" x 96" with no seams. Does anyone know of anything that wide? Thanks
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
If it's a full sign wrap the vinyl will cover the seems... otherwise maybe some sort of filler to smooth out the seams and an even base coat?
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
I think he wants some type of 'sheet' material like aluminum or plastic and not a banner.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
in all my years of sign/construction/ building I have never seen a single panel 80"x 96". only shot i would try but the guy aint gona like the price........is plastic sign sheets. sombody makes them that big cause MCDONALDS/BURGER KING/WENDY'S most are over 80" tall. give the sign co. PLASTIC ART SIGNS, pcola, or one in destin that does big plastic signs.
[ August 29, 2011, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Kevin Gaffney (Member # 4240) on :
GRP which is used on side panels of refrigerated trucks over here. Not sure what you would know it as. I've used it years back and available in huge sheets
Posted by Rodger MacMunn (Member # 4316) on :
It's called FRP (Fiberglass Reinforced Plywood) here in North America. Pete Payne used to use it a lot. I think you can get it up to 53' long by about 10' high.
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Wayne, I think you'd better tell him that what he's wanting is going to cost a fortune; much more than he's probably wanting to pay.
Just the fact that he'a wanting to stick vinyl on it says he's not willing to spend a lot.
A couple of sheets of MDO, with sheets of white aluminum glued to it (factory edges together), will give a clean solid surface, with only a hairline seam. Take a striping brush and some white OneShot, and the seam will pretty much disappear. Just run a line of white along the seam, and wipe the excess off with a thinner rag.
Posted by Kevin Gaffney (Member # 4240) on :
Sounds right Rodger. Only drawbacks are it tends to be very heavy and costly. But it is an option if customer wants to pay the dollars
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
Wayne, Call your plastic supplier They make Polycarbonate in a roll up to 120" wide by 100 ft.
You have a supplier by you, A&C Plastics or Regal/Piedmont I think have outlets in FL. It runs around $4 a sqft give or take and they can just cut it off the roll.
You would want Sign Grade White.
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
Thanks guys. William. I found some at Farco Plastics 80" x 96" x 3/16" white signgrade polycarb $233 a sheet for two sheets 90 bucks to ship. Sent the customer a quote and hoping for the best. Posted by Brad Ferguson (Member # 33) on :
Wayne,
Polycarbonate is the only thing we can get here in that kind of width.
One caution: Since this panel is going outdoors, your customer should install this in retainers. If he tries to pin the plastic down with a bunch of screws, he may end up with a very wavy sign due to expansion/contraction.
Actually, a single seam in a large panel, such as Dibond, is usually not objectionable if carefully installed. In this case, the dimensions would allow the seam could be vertical or horizontal.
Brad in Kansas City
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
Thanks Brad
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
Hiya Wayne, You can get 0.040" mill finish, roll aluminum that wide for about $15 a linear foot from a trailer manufacturer. There's a place in NJ but I can not find the contact info. If I locate it, I'll post it.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
Thanks Brian
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
Ok, after over three weeks and being told by his secretary that someone else got the job, the customer shows up at my door wanting to order. And now I have been given new information....
He has a frame built of 3x3 aluminum extrusion. The Polycarb panels are 80" x 96". If he puts a retainer around the edge, what is going to keep the .15" thick polycarb panels from flopping or bowing/blowing out? There are several 3x3 "studs" in the interior of the frame so the panels are backed by something. But he doesn't want any screws showing. Is there some type of glue which would bond it to the aluminum studs? What about double faced tape? Thanks
[ September 21, 2011, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Webb ]
Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
wayne, Sorry that this guys got a plan without any of the thinking that goes along with it. I would use very High Bond Tape. And tell him there is no guarantee or responsibility on your part. Can wind get behind this frame?
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Wayne, you may want to try some #419 Lords Adhesive.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
on something that large Im thinking flex face!
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
Hiya Wayne, On a face that large, I would not use adhesive because I would be concerned with failure due to expansion and contraction and wind loads.
If it was my project, I probably would pass unless the client signed a release. Only then would suggest using a hanger bar, supporting the weight of the face from the top, along with retainers around the perimeter.
Havin' fun.
Checkers
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
Brian, What about the double faced tape in a few strategic spots?
It's double faced so there will be no wind pushing from the backside.
Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
3M VHB Tape #4919F We stuck a cinder block to a steel pole with a 3/4" x 6" strip of the stuff to see if it was as strong as they said. Three days later we broke the block taking it down. They literally hold windows in skyscrapers with the stuff....it will hold you face in.
Put it on the studs and around the retainer and you can forget all about it....your only catch is you're only getting one shot to stick it straight.
Also tell him that if he wants to take it down later it's going to take a whole lot of patience.
Posted by Tom Rose (Member # 606) on :
Hi Wayne,
I agree with Patrick, the 3M VHB tape is great. Yiu can get it at Staples if you have one nearby. I have tried several, and the 3M is the best by far.
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
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