Hi all, I often paint vinyl banners, use 1-shot. However, on this one I rolled a background and after 2 days IT'S AS WET AS EVER!! I always wipe the surface with lacquer thinner before painting and this was no exception. I blew a fan on it the first night, and this evening I spent 10 minutes with a hair dryer very close going over a 2'x2' area to no avail. Any suggestions??? I hope??? THANK YOU!!!
Sincerely, Ellen
Posted by Tim Barrow (Member # 576) on :
try misting the tacky paint with hydrogen peroxide, that is a tip I remember from previous posts about this problem,...it is a common problem with some vinyl banners as the plasticizers migrate to the surface of the vinyl,.plasticizers are the compounds added to the vinyl mix to make it flexible. Sometimes you will need to do more than just wipe the surface as you have learned from the unfortunate results you ask help with,..this is the very reason paint manufacturers formulated vinyl primers such as tie-coat and vinyl cote.
edited top add I have used sealkrete concrete sealer with some success,(available at lowes hardware)...it takes a couple of coats and takes longer to dry than tie-cote
[ January 20, 2011, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Tim Barrow ]
Posted by Troy & Ellen Hendricks (Member # 6687) on :
Thank you! I will try the hydrogen peroxide in the morning. Please clarify about tie-cote: are you suggesting I paint this over my wet paint? Where do I buy it? I will also look for the sealkrete.
I have a deadline, of course.
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Get a new banner! If your time is not worth anything there will never be profit on the job...
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Jack is correct!
You must seal the surface of a vinyl banner BEFORE painting with 1Shot, or any other oil based paint.
Enamel receptive banners already have a ti-coat when you get them. If not, you must add a barrier coat such as TiCoat or other sealer.
An acrylic coat such as TiCoat, Johnsons "Future" floor finish, Sacrete additive, or other coating like them.
That banner will NEVER dry. I remember that problem very well, since I went thru that many many years ago when I first started. That damn banner was still sticky when I tossed it in the trash 9 months later.
My advice, toss that banner in the trash and buy another one, go to the super market and get a bottle of Johnsons "Future and coat both sides, then letter it with 1Shot.
Posted by Troy & Ellen Hendricks (Member # 6687) on :
Thank you so much, everyone! It's definitely going in the trash. Sigh of relief!!
Si, I am going to take your advice: the Future floor finish sounds like the best deal. I am thinking now that wiping with lacquer thinner will no longer be necessary, correct?
I can't wait to start over! Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
Downunder, I stick with waterbased banner paint-it alleviates those problems, once you do a test.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
why paint banners when you can order them for 25% less and not worry with them, not bashing just asking
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
I gotta go with Bruce. I can order a 10oz. 3x8 banner digitally printed in full color hemmed & grommet for $36.
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Ellen, you've got lots of good feedback.
Tie-Cote is made by Chromatic; it is made to be a barrier coat (primer) for vinyl.
You can also use the above mentioned stuff, most acrylic semi-gloss paints, Sherwin- Williams Sher-Kleer, etc. Oil-based enamels will never dry, without primer. Even if it feels dry to the touch, after the hydrogen peroxide, it will peel off with your fingernail.
Maybe the digital prints are the way to go, in this case.
Posted by Troy & Ellen Hendricks (Member # 6687) on :
quote:Originally posted by bruce ward: why paint banners when you can order them for 25% less and not worry with them, not bashing just asking
Because we are artists and have the reputation as such. Everything we do is hand-painted with artistic flair/ sets us apart. Can hardly keep up with the orders.
I just went to 2 stores: a big grocery 2 blocks away, then 3 miles to Walmart to find the Johnson's Future Floor Finish. Nowhere to be seen, took a guess and bought Pledge Floor Care Finish for tile and vinyl floors.
I also have another banner; will test a small corner before proceeding. I really really appreciate all the help!!!
Sincerely, Ellen
[ January 21, 2011, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: Troy & Ellen Hendricks ]
Posted by Troy & Ellen Hendricks (Member # 6687) on :
That link isn't working... here is a copynpaste of the info:
"I'm trying to find Future® Floor Wax. Is it still available? – John from L.A."
Glad to hear from you, John! The Future® Floor Polish product was renamed under the Pledge® brand in November of 2007. It is now Pledge® Premium Finish with Future® Shine. Don't worry – it is still the same great Future® formula, just a new name and still provides that durable, long lasting shine. You should be able to find it in your local grocery or home needs stores but if you still have trouble, please call our Consumer Relationship Center at 1-800-558-5252 for more details.
Posted by Troy & Ellen Hendricks (Member # 6687) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ian Stewart-Koster: Downunder, I stick with waterbased banner paint-it alleviates those problems, once you do a test.
Just wondering how water-based paint holds up outside in the weather?
Posted by Sonny Franks (Member # 588) on :
One other option is to order your banners enamel receptive from your supplier......
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Ellen...If you wipe down the banner with alcohol and then use an acrylic water borne gloss or semi gloss sash & trim paint ... it will stick like a divorce lawyer going after a bigger settlement.
(Regular wall paint doesn't have enough pigment to cover very well.)
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
I think what was meant by 'water based' is acrylic or latex, which is what I alluded to earlier. Holds up great.
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
quote:Just wondering how water-based (banner) paint holds up outside in the weather?
I said 'water based' as donw here, the word 'acrylic' can refer to perspex, and it can refer to automotive lacquer, and it can refer to water based house paint-so to avoid ambiguity, I wrote it like that. 'Latex' paint down here is junk-absolutely the cheapest worst water-based stuff you can get. You might paint a tin fence with it, or a concrete block-walled public toilet, but you would not intentionally use it on anything meant to last. That's why I didn;t use the word latex!
(no offense to your North American product which must work well, but then our Avery vinyl has not failed me in 12 years and still going well.)
The Aussie brand 'Solver' banner paint is a low-sheen water based exterior paint-it's lasted as well as anything I''d ever wished for, in the hot aussie weather. It's not as good as it used to be, but it's still good.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
Gotcha, Now I understand
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
Ian, I've found, up here, that acrylic and latex are terms generally meaning the same thing, and used interchangeably.....water based.
Actually, there is no real latex in latex paint anymore, but a blend of acrylics and copolymers, developed to give the paint similar properties to latex....but much cheaper and more consistent to duplicate.
Most stores' brands may say either term, shame we can't have uniformity in products. Quite a few paints use both names "acrylic latex".
[ January 22, 2011, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Dale Feicke ]
Posted by Heather Moodie (Member # 1417) on :
Hi, Sorry to hear about your banner problem. I had that happen many years ago with a 2-sided 25' banner. I always coat my banners with Enamel Coat if I was in doubt whether it is enamel receptive. I used to buy it from sign supply stores. It is looks quite a bit like milk. I usually brush it on with a large foam brush. You might inquire with Canadian Signcrafers supply in Ontario. I haven't bought any recently, so not sure of availability but they will know for sure. Good luck!
Sincerely, Heather
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
Dale, I was just trying to not let any misunderstandings creep in, due to regional differences. Many of the names & terms I read here aren't used downunder- another foreign word is 'Bondo'. (We colloquially call it 'Bog'-it took a while to work out what was meant)
Actually, 'waterborne' is probably more apt that 'waterbased', too!
Posted by Rich Stebbing (Member # 368) on :
Ronan AquaCoat Paint,...works for me.
Posted by Dale Feicke (Member # 767) on :
I'm with you, Ian. Seems someone else was having a problem understanding.....
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