Kyoto is now here! All the scientists have now conformed to the fact of "Oil Wastes."
Time to look into the furture of electric or the power Of. Welcome to the new age of mankind!
Most Oil... products will be a thing of the past in 15-20 Years.... as the "Power of the Electronic Plant Grows!"
Next Step in Life!
Von Dutch only shown myself the true meaning of selfcentreness of someboby,
My actions today only help if they can!,...But all else fails if the dream of human kind does'nt come true!
Raven/2007
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Posted by Jon Jantz (Member # 6137) on :
Stephen, I'm asking this question out of kindness and concern...
What do you smoke?
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Jon....... That is a within text of what is happening around the world! Carbon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Please don't tell myself that there is enough "Trees" to in-take the polution!
It is still a Gobal Warming. or is that Warning?
[ February 02, 2007, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
What do you smoke?
quote:I'm asking this question out of kindness and concern...
...and a little bit of jealousy maybe Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Yep this Air is Free!
Please help yourself to it!
Mother Earth to Madkind?
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
[ February 02, 2007, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: Frank Magoo ]
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Magoo! True on your thought! THANKS! Wait for weekend drawing.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Grrrrrrrrrrr....wasn't supposed to wipe entire response, just adding and I guess it got lost in the shuffle, "Lost In Cyberspace", new series this fall, look for it at your favorite candy/video store, next to the Boston Baked Beans(say that fast 3x's)(ok-four)
Truth is, there are all sorts of problems for mankind to deal with, sometimes I wonder if just worrying about a beast eating you would be more to my liking, but I'm comfortable w/the generation I was born into and really amazed at what we've done since as a society, so all told, taking in account Si's article find, it's not all that bad a life right where I am and I'm damned grateful for being lucky enough to beat 10 to 1 odds of being born in this country...how's your day going? Mines fine, thank you...
Doug, damn rights he is, I mean, look at the pic, that's a face that loves life....ugly too, but that's beside the point.....lol
Posted by John Lennig (Member # 2455) on :
Well, we're on THE BIG EARTHQUAKE WATCH up here, seems tiny movements down below are a warning... Why die a slow death when you can go BIG, Quickly?
btjohn
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
I don't like to be the 'Out Cast' of things that make changes but then.... again I have been nothing but... known of it!
All Info and Help is needed to improve the style of Life of ManKind.
Then Again Magoo would you like your children to Know or Grow!
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Posted by Jon Jantz (Member # 6137) on :
Doug, that was gonna be my next post... "Send me some." hehe...
SD, I'm not against taking care of our planet.
However, I agree with Si... no need to panic. You always hear the Global Warming & Climate Change panickers making a racket in the current convenient place... that's why we had such violent hurricanes hitting us.. global warming.. tons about it in the paper and on the net when Ivan and Dennis hit us and Katrina passed nearby...
Last year was predicted be the worst storm season in history... GW (that ain't George W.) was going to make a record number of killer storms that were going to wipe us and the east coast out.
How many major storms were there, like 2? You're not hearing anything about GW making hurricanes now-a-days....
And Frank, glad to see you're not gonna kick the bucket. Either you're mending or the painkillers are working good... welcome back.
PS... I'm love Michael Crichton books... need to get that one and read it....
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
If you are so convinced that all the ice in the world is going to melt, causing flooding....sell your house and buy a sail boat!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
and this from a man who lives where clubin baby seals is an industry............ STEVEN......TAKE YOURE MEDS....you really should your not half bad to deal with when you on your LITHIUM & STELIZINE.......)))))))))
Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
I wish global warning would hurry up. If my calculations are correct a 7.34 degree shift in average temperature will melt the polar ice caps to the exact level needed to make my house beachfront property.
When that happens you're all invited to stay anytime...except Steven. Steven, you can clean the pool.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
well although this is sad for our future i have to say that I have come to realize you cant save the world and you cant control others. Having found this out, "what going to happen is going to happen and there aint a damn thing anyone can do"
So ill keep living as I do mind my own buisness and let this planet run its course. im not into hugging trees or baby seals. Im not into protesting, thats a waste of time. Its too late to reverse anything weve done.....lets just wait for the big boom
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
No, there is no need to panic, but becoming more informed, and living more consciously with regard to our planet would definately be a good thing.
Last year I went and saw Al Gore's documentary called "An Inconvenient Truth", and it was an eye opener. I recommend it.
I left with a better awareness. Heck, for my next vehicle, I would seriously consider a hybrid.
One quote that I've had in my collection since I was in my teens comes to mind for me here, though I don't know who originally said it...
"We treat this planet as though we had a spare in the trunk"
~nettie
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Na Sayers!
I truly believe that things can work out!
As Graphic Artists........ we have to start first, as most Ideas and Inventions will come from us!
Here I go again! "Pizzing People Off!"
[ February 03, 2007, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Global warming, my ass... it is -15 right now... and I like it.
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
I really think that global warming can be attributed to methal gas. All the farting cows and the people who eat them. It's a stinky world out there.
Posted by Arthur Vanson (Member # 2855) on :
It took 200,000 years to produce our first billion people, and 130 years to produce our second billion. The third billion took just 30years, the forth 14 years, the fifth 13 years and the sixth 12 years. (1999).
Until about 900 years ago, the earth could sustain less than a billion people using local “current sunlight” to grow renewable resources. Then humans started to use stored “ancient sunlight” in the form of coal. This allowed the population to reach 1 billion by 1850, when oil, another source of trapped ancient sunlight became widely used. Further discoveries of huge oilfields allowed a massive explosion in the population, only sustainable by spending ancient sunlight.
Whichever way you look at it, with resources dwindling and the population burgeoning something will have to give. Frankly, my dears, I don’t suppose The World GIVES a damn. It did fine before we came along and will probably do fine after we leave.
A nice bowl of Nuclear fusion, anyone?
Figures, dates and theme taken from : The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, by Thom Hartmann.
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
well this is the one issue that almost anyone can be goatherded into believing is true by sensationalistic bullsh*t....quote the right set of statistics and anyone with an agenda looks like a genius. Overstate them into unrealistic time frames and you look even smarter bc you start theOMG factor. The only thing strict "enviromental" regulation does is spring up nice little subeconomies and beaurocracies fueled by regulatory enforcement......once theyre in place they do not go away,and the only people they benefit is the ones now riding this cash cow. People forget that regulation means enforcement and the very same people who feed on selling the public this supposed nirvana are teh same ones that will put them out of business or make the cost of doing business "in compliance" so expensive its unaffordable.....the very thing everyone bitches about. Its in these cases we forget things like the 20-30cent per gallon tax on gasoline,the now astronimical price of freon,the much quoted here removal of lead form paint etc etc..and then they blame "big corporations" for being evil instead of placing the blame where it actually belongs. The most important thing to remember about any of this BS is this.....the earth goes thru cycles every few thousand years where it either heats or cools,ice age,polar ice melts,whatever....good luck being so pompous as humans to think we have any control over that at all.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Bruce Ward basically said its business as usual for him.
This truly is a shame because most persons think the same way while there is so much more to worry about in the near future for the Free World.
Just sit back and relax and watch while our governments slowly take our freedoms away in their everyday quest to fight terrorism while stuffing their pockets to protect their wealth. You and your children are tools to those who run this world.
Three Arkansas surgeons were playing golf together and discussing surgeries they had performed. One of them said, "I'm the best Surgeon in Arkansas. In my favorite case, a concert pianist lost seven fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8 months later he performed a private concert for the Queen of England. The second surgeon said. "That's nothing. A young man lost an arm and both legs in an accident, I reattached them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in track and field events in the Olympics. "The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs. Several years ago a cowboy in Texas was high on cocaine and marijuana and he rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80 miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the cowboys head and the horse's ass. I was able to put them together and now he's the president of the United States!!!
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
I have a friend who has it all under control.
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
quote: and now he's the president of the United States!!!
ERRP! Thats a misquote. ITs supposed to read. Now She's running for president of the USA..
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
No Curtis, you're wrong. The was a joke from an email I received about 5 years ago although the one circulating now was changed to meet its republican counterparts. Do ya homework. Curtis just because you're a full fledged republican it doesn't mean you're right as you can see by the cowboy who has horrible ratings in this country. Eventually the truth always surpasses the lies.
respectfully from Joey Madden living in southern Oregon where the climate shows 55 today with snow expected next year for one day and gone by noon
Have a nice day
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
I'm not all that concerned about global warming, but I am concerned about all the butt ugly signs polluting our landscape. Who wants to live in a World like that!
On a more serious note. If you spend your time watching the news, you will see a constant series of news stories designed to scare the living daylights out of you. Almost all of these "facts" are beyond my control.
This BB has the potential to educate, and perhaps contribute in some small way, to help improve global bad signs. Let the Environmental Forums debate these larger questions.
BTW? Anyone know how to kern the word LAWYER in all caps so that it looks good? Posted by Bob Burns (Member # 268) on :
The North Pole is melting....HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by Duncan Wilkie (Member # 132) on :
Alberta, Canada circa 2025... is this being too optimistic? Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
And Al Gore will reap a million dollar kickback, from the billions, he help send in grant money to "living pretty damn high on the hog scientist" all over the world, in the form of the Nobel Peace Prize. And all these dickweeds can come up with is: "Global Warming is likely Man-made." Pretty poor return for the money!!!! Now Chirac wants an enviromental police force!!!! Who the hell is listening to the UN and look at how much hot air is coming from that experiment! I believe in Global Warming, because I can physically feel it. That's right!!! I GET A CHU ROUGE EVERY TIME I HEAR ABOUT IT.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
iam so sorry for all you politicos....GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT POLITICAL.....IT ENVRONMENTAL....goes ta show how iteligent the nay says are......and who they are politically alinging them selfs with. SCIENTISTS for the most part have no politics..... when you got a majority of scientist sayin the same thing...YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION....no matter what politics you fall under.... its really dumb when you got a cheerleader, ex baseball team owner, oil family, C college student, who flunked the bar exam 3 times, and got a college degree in economics....TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING he has no education in. what does that say about you? i belive in dinosaurs and eveolution, and the fact that thes old world has been spinning around a long long time. it dont take a great scientific mind to see the changes that have taken place since most of us have been here. most of ya can remember winters that was winters, and summers that was hot during the day and cool at nite. i belive we as humans should pay more attention to what we are doin to the planet...but hey most of us are instant gratifaction, horray for me and screw the the future, i wont be to worry about it type people....how selfish can we get?
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Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
quote:Originally posted by old paint: its really dumb when you got a cheerleader, ex baseball team owner, oil family, C college student, who flunked the bar exam 3 times, and got a college degree in economics....TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING he has no education in. what does that say about you?
Now that's funny Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Stephen Deveau Nova Scotia
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Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
Global warming, huh?
Let's see... Rule #1: Anything in excess can become harmful.
Pretty much evident to anyone with a mentality greater than a shoe horn that we use fossil fuels more now than ever. Considering the amount of toxins burnt into the air, it's not surprising that it would eventually affect the atmosphere...not exactly science, but just common sense. Hell, you can overdose from Twinkies if you eat enough of them.
The Ozone layer's been affected...plenty of evidence to that. How? Probably us. Cow farting aside, we are the industrial species on the planet and the byproducts of that are widely considered the cause. In the last 100 years we've spewed more crap into the air than all of the Earth's history before it. Just a matter of quantity and capacity. Fill the container with caustic and corrosive stuff and sooner or later, it rots. Rule #1 again.
Okay, we did the damage, but what leads anyone to believe that we can fix it in any hurry. By the time the technology or conservation plans kick in, we'll be too late...we seem to be past the point of repair already. The wounds in the atmosphere are already in place and, whether we like it or not, Mother Nature is gonna heal in her own time. None of us here are gonna live that long to see it happen, but our children will...so long as we don't open the wounds any further.
Got kids? What would you do the make sure they won't have to wear SPF710 sunblock at the beach? Rapid
Posted by Bill Dirkes (Member # 1000) on :
I think I'll just go fiddle while Rome burns! Or bury my head in the sand.
Whether ya like it or not what you do has an impact. Put a couple compact flourescent in yer house. Save some money on the electric bill. Do that in every house in the US and reduce carbon emissions dramaticlly. Win Win. It can't hurt, and ya gotta replace them burnt out bulbs anyway... In 2 months I recovered the cost in electric bill savings. Take a handful of grocery bags to the store with ya, reuse em, save the world Seriously! It ain't hard, just be aware that you have an impact on YOUR environment! My 2 cents
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
...METHANE from cow and pig farts is not just a joke. Information about it is at > friendsofanimals.org
...Like Bill D.says, each of us can start doing things to mitigate the meltdown. Like riding bicycles for transportation.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Seems like theres more to the phrase Us and Them. They make available what we use then tell us what we can do to resolve the problem while they stuff their pockets. They offer solutions to their problems while we foot the expences. There are a few of us who minimize the bills while protecting ourselves from everything, gamma rays to polution while they are indignant to the world around them while stuffing their pockets. Bill Dirkes makes sense to what all of us know, W.R. also.
Si sent out an email yesterday in regards to immigration which certainly makes more sense then anything you are going to read this year at least anything that you are going to understand.
What Ray says is understandable but isn't totally under our control, not by a longshot and the reason for this is because we are not the manufacturers of the products who stuff our pockets but only the consumers who foot the bill.
You want electric vehicles? What source of electric is going to be supplied and how are we going to get it and who is going to supply it and who is going to pay for while they stuff their pockets?
I totally resent any remark that we did the damage! I totally refuse to believe that we can do anything without the help of our governments doing their share for the enviroment while spending billions upon billions to unite this world so they can stuff their pockets all the while showing us examples of what we can do to help to stop this or that while stealing from Mother Earth is every direction possible while still stuffing their pockets.
How many here believe in solar energy, sustainable housing and recycling? All these are possible but yet when it comes to building a house, the masses look at a stick built home, a home which either uses oil, gas, propane or electric for heat, a home which uses fiberglass insulation which loses its ability to heat or cool once its put between the studs. Sip homes and other sustainable houses are reality in this day and age and are built but only a handful will take the plunge.
And all of this stuff put together will still need your governmental inspectors to be educated as well as educating contractors and the of course the general public. Yes this here country wastes energy, wastes food, wastes education and wastes just about anything they get their hands on including your children who are put forth on journeys half way around this planet, all while stuffing their pockets while their children gets the best education so they can follow in daddys footsteps and never have to worry about being in harmsway, all while stuffing their pockets.
Have a nice day
This was edited to add or substract spelling mistakes
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Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
So let's all move to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and become Amish... start driving horse and buggy, refraining from buying manufactured goods, growing our own food, not using electricity.....
OH WAIT, They're the ones with the farting cows....
CRAP, WE'RE ALL DEAD.... (((heading out to get in the concrete culvert out by the highway...)))
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Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
"Nobody gets out alive"
-Jim Morrison
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
ONE WORD ............A P A T H Y!!!!!!!
Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
So what Joe; I don't give a crap Posted by Mike Clayton (Member # 723) on :
I have to agree with Mr. Vanson.
In the 70's there was a report that the world was getting colder, but there was no internet, cable Tv was just starting, and there were not all these mouthpeices on TV.
Now, because there is more of an outlet to reach people,global warming is pushed more, but the bottom line is the earth will survive, with or without us.
If you want to do something to help, do it for your kids children, they are the ones that will be affected, we will all be long gone before that...
MC
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Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Please don't hand your children the weapons! But show them the technology of the future!
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Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
I will and shall try to bring along the new thoughts of the future.
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Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
As Graphic Artists!
Posted by Bill Dirkes (Member # 1000) on :
Hey Joey You'll like this: 22 yrs ago I built my own home. Designed too. It was designed as an underground house. Solar assisted heat & water. Recycling septic system, 2 yr cycle on that system so the waste could be composted to use as fertilizer. No lending institution would lend me a dime to build it. I raised it up to an earth-bermed structure, dropped the septic for conventional leach fields. Still no money. I now live in a unique, conventionally built above ground home. It's going on the market for sale soon...
Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
Kyoto is a city in Japan Here ... I do what I can (mainly to save a buck ... energy is expensive) World warms ... world cools. Global warming ... Nuclear winter ... screwed either way. As a ”Graphic Artist... maybe I’ll draw a pretty picture of it but I don’t think that picture is gonna change much about the workings of the universe…. Other than using recycled paper. The world is f****d and always has been… always will be. I tell my kids they won the lottery being born when they did, where they did. The good old days? How would you have liked to have been born 100 years ago (pre-global warming, yeah right)... 200 years ago ... the middle ages? Think about it this way ... one word ... P**** Hundred years ago ... 2 hundred ... these days it comes in flavors. No one likes pollution … What is glooming and dooming my short time here (a great time to be here) going to do about it. (intimidate rather than educate) The world’s a scary place ... And ...
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Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
One night I jumped into a freshly dug grave, Laid down in it... and all I could see was a 3 foot by 6 foot section of the universe. It was in a Orthodox Jewish Cemetary where a friend was employed. He even kicked in some dirt,just to make a statement. We were both stoned but this talk about the earth bein' on it's last leg ain't sh(t ! And I believe we will survive mishaps and move on. What is really most impotant though is to laugh and have as much fun as possible. Stress is the tool of dumbing down people and the planet in one lump.
Put on some music and dance yer a$$ off.
"The staement on the opposite side is false" "The statement on the opposite side is true" And so is the universe from a grave....
CrazyJack
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Posted by Ivan Allan (Member # 885) on :
Ray Reahume, you are knockin on my door man...
It is obviously happening around us.
This is the beginning paragraphs of a report released last Friday. Make what you will of it.
"Everybody in the United States could switch from cars to bicycles.
The Chinese could close all their factories.
Europe could give up electricity and return to the age of the lantern.
But all those steps together would not come close to stopping global warming.
A landmark report from the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released Friday, warns that there is so much carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere that even if concentrations held at current levels, the effects of global warming would continue for centuries.
There is still hope. The report notes that a concerted world effort could stave off the direst consequences of global warming, such as widespread flooding, drought and extreme weather.
Ultimately eliminating the global warming threat, however, would require radical action.
To stabilize atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide — the primary contributor to global warming — CO2 emissions would have to drop 70% to 80%, said Richard Somerville, a theoretical meteorologist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla."
I like that article too. Although it is of little comfort that solar ray fluctuations could be the biggest cause of global warming/cooling. In affect, turning the iceage on and off.
Yep, I feel MUCH better about the state of the environmental for my decendants now...
[ February 05, 2007, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: Ivan Allan ]
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Governments: Tell the people something to take their minds to another place so we can get on with our business.
its working Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
You are assuming that "decendants" are given in the future. If much of our known existance is taken away or rendered to be excess, will procreation be a right that government and science will also try to take away. They don't need you to get your jollies to continue their idea of a "better human race."
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
Global warming is a big lie. Watch FOX news.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BOBBIE.....and my favorite is ORIELY.....hes my comic relief, for he real news i watch THE DAILY SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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