Got a call this week. The guy wants a Dimensional Sign. He explains its a nice ribbon with a Beaded Corbel designed by a Professional Design Agency.(Warning flag one is now Fluttering) . He would like Gold and Silver Leaf for his Consulting Company he and his son are starting..(Flag 2 is fluttering as he can't explain what they consult about) Ok Send me a email with the logo and I'll get you a price.. Heres today Email (Flag 3 Diver DOWN and Drowned.)
So I am trying to find a way to politely Tell him he was hosed. And lets try again or go someplace else.
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
I particularly like the "I" in inc BEHIND the main copy! LOL
Posted by Stefanie Fox (Member # 6523) on :
uh...its tough being you today...I can offer to pray for you if you think it would help?
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Ouch. That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. The flat text on a curved banner is nice, but my favorite design element is the small black appendage at the bottom. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Posted by Dusty Campbell (Member # 4601) on :
Be honest, tell him some of the obvious bad points as mentioned above, show him some of your work and sell him something new.
I wouldn't give him the option of working to improve that design.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
I agonise over designs and layout..and I suck at it compared to almost everyone that posts here....
BUT...
THAT is just plain BAD..Even my very first "design" outranks that effort.
It isn't often that I offer comments on design, but I feel confident I could improve on something like that!!!! Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Lol! Sounds like one of your competitors is playing a joke on you!
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
I would have nicely said " I think it didn't go throught right. The lettering is off center. And I quess the arc in the work Cenntenial didn't come throught. And I don't think that the colors didn't come out right as well. I'm gonna send you a redo of what maybe it was supposed to look like and you tell me if I got it right. And if he says he like the first version better, than I 'd do just wahts he wants.
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Alicia, you are a true diplomat. That is a great way to handle it.
Posted by Jill Marie Welsh (Member # 1912) on :
quote:That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place.
Priceless, Russ. Listen to the wise, diplomatic words of Ms. Alicia. ...gotta love that Algerian.... love....Jill
Posted by Donna in BC (Member # 130) on :
Alicia, you forgot to add..
"For a "small fee" of course."
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
Looks like the software lost it alignment somewhere.. I saw this before when soomeone used printshop or something. It looks like the yellow panel was supposed to sit on the mantle piece..
I can hardly beleive that even an amature would do it like that..
If what they gave you is really what they really wanted then shame shame dirty shame...
Posted by Gene Golden (Member # 3934) on :
When it looks weird like this, I request a PDF file so I can see what the image should actually look like. There are some variations and font switcheroos that occur sometimes. Let's give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
Not the last, but the second last time I was 'diplomatic' like that to a customer, and offered honest sincere & desperately needed fixes (with polite explanations) I lost the job to someone else who just did what was requested. I see the result occasionally- It's shocking, hard to read, inconsistant elements, bad balance, dreadful colours...they just ignored me & went on with it. I pity the business.
(The background was hot pink & maroon, the lettering was yellow, brown & white, wiht some red & green. The shadows were some on the left, some on the right, some offset, some surround, and some were a shadow past an outline, and some weren't.)
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
Ian,
It sounds like the design Debekker recieved is a virtual Rembrandt compared to the one you describe.
Heh.
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
William, it broke every decent law except the law of gravity!
Posted by E. Balch (Member # 3545) on :
I'd do a quick layout for a design that is easy to carve and price it normally. Then I would triple the price on their design. Let the price difference help them decide.
If they go with the ugly design, you can explain that some of the design features are impossible to carve and you will have to make a few changes.
ernie
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
I was hoping it was PDF or Windows screw up But NOOO.. He sent a Hard copy of his business card.. Exactly the same. He will be stopping by on Monday I might just have to politly I will have to Redisgn the Logo to make it Carvable or pass on the Job.
Posted by Dusty Campbell (Member # 4601) on :
Run.
Edited to say: Gut instinct says run. Business instinct just kicked in. Sell him something better.
I was hoping for some kind of file error too. Find out how much he payed for that if you can manage. Just out of curiosity.
[ June 05, 2006, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Dusty Campbell ]
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
If it were me, I would have an alternative ready for him to look at on Monday. Nothing fancy, but something to show another viewpoint. I would also try to find out what he is trying to achieve, and I would explain why his design isn't making the grade. If he still insists on that design, I would look around and say, "Am I on Candid Camera?" Posted by Blake Wright (Member # 6584) on :
Wonder how much a ( Professional ) gets paid fer a logo like that? Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
OMG, that is sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!!
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Shouldn't there be a clock, a candle, and a family portrait on the mantle? Hehehehe.
Seems like it's missing something......hmmmm....I know!!!!
He forgot to put a bowling ball and a chainsaw in that layout!!! Hahahahahaha....
Sorry, couldn't help being a smart aleck....that design is sooooo horrible.
Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
I got $7.95 for that design now quit making fun of my work. It took me 2 minutes to put together so that's $238.50 an hour. How many of you get that much for design sevices?
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
Well That Meeting went as well as a Fart in Church. The Client Came in and I did a Quick Sketch for him trying to explain to him the basics of a decent design. (God knows I am not a very diplomatic type person though) Well he gets all p issy Ok So be it. Now I'm ready to knock this guy in to next week. But I'm trying to be a professional so I just said I would have to pass on this job. Well I thought he was going to cry or hit me, wasn't sure or which one. But he just stomped out. During all this I finally got out of him what he is a consultant for. ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. I Give up.
[ June 06, 2006, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: William DeBekker ]
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
quote: During all this I finally got out of him what he is a consultant for. ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. I Give up.
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Well, at least he's gone. Now you don't have to do his scary job. All's well that ends well.
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
ADVERTISING & MARKETING consultant???????
Thank you, I now have to clean Pepsi off the montior again!
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Curtis and someone else said maybe it was a software glitch andf caused a misalignment.
So I took it apart and tried rearranging it! Tried every which way ...and came to the conclusion.............ya can't polish a turd!
ADVERTISING & MARKETING consultant???????
Posted by Dawn Drake (Member # 6533) on :
I like coming to this site I needed a laugh and you guys made my day. Good night. ... nephew art...cant polish a turd...
Posted by Paul Bierce (Member # 5412) on :
Well, at least he's not claiming to be a signmakers consultant.
This kind of reminds me of a project I'm working on now. Customer brought in a package design (which I later found out was designed by his wife) that got ripped to shreds by potential customers at a recent trade show. He said he wanted it "redone" so that it would shine at retail.
Well, after redesigning the package from scratch, the client gets all upset because the initial design wound up in the trash can.
Now I know what the client secretly wanted. They wanted the original design "improved" so they could go back to the customers that said "Your package sucks" and say, "See, now our package is good".
I guess that thought that pigs ear they brought us could be turned into a silk purse.
[ June 08, 2006, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Paul Bierce ]
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
quote:Originally posted by Russ McMullin: Ouch. That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. The flat text on a curved banner is nice, but my favorite design element is the small black appendage at the bottom. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Mr. Potato Head...... That is just plain SICK Russ Posted by Lotti Prokott (Member # 2684) on :
Oh, so let's see: One guy hasn't got a clue but runs what he calls a Professional Design Agency. The other guy has even less of a clue and runs an Advertising and Marketing Consulting business? Heck, I think I'm going to get myself a white coat and open up a Brain Surgeon clinic. Why waste time learning your profession?
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