I'm loath to reveal my ignorance, but here goes... What or who exactly is a PinHead?
Be gentle...
Posted by Catharine C. Kennedy (Member # 4459) on :
Someone who pinstripes!
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
Pinheads? one of the greatest groups of people you would like to meet! Just go to one of their meets, you'll never be the same.
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
The opposite of a pin prick!
Posted by Laura Butler (Member # 1830) on :
People with skinny, pointy head!?
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
As a pinstriper, I loath that "nick"...to quote Webster: a mindless idiot...not what I spent all my life becoming, to be referenced off as such makes my blood boil...
Someone, somewhere, thought it a "cool" inferance, like sign ppl. are referred to as "letterheads", etc...someone, somewhere, should have researched tag before labeling pinstripers w/such a negative preception, sort of like naming your son, "Sue"...going to create heat big time...
So Graham, if you want to get along w/me at least, don't refer to me as a ph, I'm a pinstriper, pure and simple...it's even easier to say...hey!!! you asked!!! Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Thats the one thing that Frank and I agree with
But Letterheads are a totally different breed, 1/2 of them can't spell and 1/2 of them can't read Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
Better'n than being called an "airhead"...
Such is life. Rapid
Posted by Roy Frisby (Member # 736) on :
I've often wondered if I was the only person who doesn't care for the term "pinhead". Thanks Frank and Joey for enlightening me.
Posted by Jill Marie Welsh (Member # 1912) on :
Yins beat me to it..."Pinhead" is a nickname for those who pinstripe. Most stripers dislike the term. Love....Jill
Posted by Graham Parsons (Member # 1129) on :
Heck, it's obvious when you see it spelt out!
Ok, whilst my knowledge shortcomings are revealed (don't look, Ethel) why are pinstripes called pinstripes - where does the 'pin' bit come from?
Posted by Rich Stebbing (Member # 368) on :
What happened to the newsletter that had Pinhead News and so forth? Pinheads even had a "pinhead number", I believe that was giving to them upon joining that particular group. I thought maybe Bob Bonds was the editor for awhile. It seems it was around for a couple of years. Does anyone else remember it? A fellow Letterhead signed up for it and bought me a subscription for a year,($15 I think). I was given a number, like 316 (or was that my Draft lottery number?). Somebody out there must have an old Pinhead Gazette.
Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
Seems like I've gone through this same topic thing a couple times here in the past...... and Like Frank.....
I quote "Websters"
You wanna be a pinhead.........knock yerself out.......
Pinstripers......Pinstripe !!
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Ya Rich, might say I was behind the scene on that one, it died for lack of support and infighting amongest members as to which pinhead actually named it pinhead...an honor thats logic and relevance has always escaped me...and yes, each member was assigned a number, mine was 62, chosen to honor year I graduated BUDS...it could have been lower, at time I think only a dozen numbers had been issued...and yes, I disagreed w/nick from start, after two, quite embarressing situations wearing pinhead t-shirts, I never wore one again, work rags now, and I always aim at lettering first off to distort it beyond recognition, right off...whole thing soured me on subject long ago, shame too in a way, membership roster was over 2000 when it folded, galant attempt by Jeff Crank to revive it and keep it going also fell by the wayside as Jeff's life chose that point in time to get complicated and time became an issue w/him, a situation not unfamiliar to say, editors of AML...thankfully it died a peaceful death and lo and behold, the only thing to come out of the ashes was it's stupid name....go figure...though, it's poetic to some as far as some others are concerned, poetic indeed, and ironic....... Posted by Bob Burns (Member # 268) on :
peckerwood
Posted by bill riedel (Member # 607) on :
Here is your opportunity to come up with an appropriate name. I believe most of us dislike the name Pinhead, so lets see just how many better names can be had. Now is the time to change it for the better before it is too late and we will be stuck with it forever. How about Stripe artist? Or Stripe Professional?
Come on gang, lets have a go at it.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Actually Frank, although the numbers went over 2000 it was because I asked my registered number to be 2000 and Bob once told me it screwed up something or another in bookkeeping. I still have the wall paper thingies saying what number and your name. The PINHEADS stood for
Pinstripers International Network Historic Exotic Artistic Design Stylists
The above done by another east coast striper, Howie Nisgar
BTW, I call myself a straight line Pinstriper
[ March 20, 2006, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Joey Madden ]
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
I'm content w/term pinstriper, it's been the tag for our vocation for more years than I can account for...what works then, works well now, don't see a need to come up with a "suitable" tag when the one we have now is honorable, concise and quite capable of transcribing it's meaning to others w/o compromise...the need to sanitize nick w/new tag is really kind of silly and a waste of time, as the ones it affects(most I've talked to at least), are comfortable w/pinstriper...I'm a pinstriper and proud of it, PINSTRIPER works for me, pure and simple....
PINSTRIPER, it even looks cool, kewl'r than PH...
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Click above and check out the photos from stripers across the globe
[ March 20, 2006, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: Joey Madden ]
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
Even though the meets are usually referred to as "pinhead meets", I always use a more correct description as "striper" used while speaking within the group or "pin"striper to the general public as it is to communicate the artistry and events as they would know it.
As far as between each other, I try to use your name or nick, as you prefer. I'm not one to create nicks for others, and I may be a bore, but, I call all my children and grandchildren by their complete first names, while they have nicks by their other relatives. (okay there might be a "sweetie" here and there, but that's about it.)
As for me, I don't mind being called a "letterhead" sometimes, as for a while, it specifically explained which website I was connected to so they could find it also. Within my explanation, I mention the information can be found from artists of all kinds, involved with lettering and striping, carving, airbrushing, carving, (the old arts) (ha, and sometimes the old farts!, naw), and craftsman of many, many avenues, etc.
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Well I just thought all us stripers were stupid, I get it now, "pin"head as in "pin"striper, so while we are at it "letter"heads as in "letter"???? most people in the sign biz nowadays don't make "letters" thay make stickers some one who draws and designs "letters" I would say is a "letter-head" so I guess I don't mind being called "pin-head" by a bunch of "sticka-heads"
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
while we are at it I always thought the dentist was mis-named, a dentist should be an auto body guy, cuz he works with dents... a dentist should be called a toothist
Posted by Jim & Chris hetzler (Member # 1709) on :
One thing years ago when signs were hand painted there were always flourish of some kind added to help a sign stand out....thus the pinstriper added his garnishment. Signs of today have changed so much it's unbelieveable. I have been in the trade (my 30th year this year) for a long time and I always hated that title "PinHead". Especially from someone thaqt didn't know what a pinhead was.....they thought you were some kind of freak or something. I just tell them "it isn't finished until it's striped"!!!
Hetz
Posted by Stu Friesen (Member # 6358) on :
I'm with Frank. Pinhead has a negative connotation. Type in pinheads on a web search and you get some freaky stuff. Most people know what a pinstriper does anyway. I'm all for removing the Pinhead term from the vocabulary of the sign profession.
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
I would have to say....I prefer "Striper" and if ya don't like that, sc*#w ya.
I wonder,as a matter of fact...where the"PIN" part came from in "Pinstriper" ? Run that through the knowledge closet if yer hungry for sumpn'.
CrazyJack
Posted by Gonzalo (Peewee)Curiel (Member # 3837) on :
this says it all.!
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Jack, been awhile, but, and don't quote me here, when doing research on subject years ago, I traced the "art" of pinstriping back to the Bavarian Coach Works in 1517. Don't remember any suggestion of term pinstriper, but logic suggests to me, that term was coined when relationship of line produced from a pinstriping brush, sort of resembled the lines in clothing, referred to as "Pinstriped" suits, and term pinstriper arose from that as a title; remember those? Favorite of gangsters in this country during prohibition.....that would be my educated guess at least, interesting question, it was mentioned earlier and passed over, maybe efforts from this point on should center around the search for the correct answer to this question, might make for some interesting results...I wouldn't mind knowing for sure myself...afterall, I do profess to being one...unlike Peewee...
[ March 22, 2006, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: Frank Magoo ]
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Pinhead was a badazz demon in the Hellraiser movies, very scary dude, but NOT a pinstriper
[ March 22, 2006, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: captain ken ]
Posted by John Lennig (Member # 2455) on :
Bavarian "Couch" Works, where you could Cushion yourself from the nasty outside world, smoke a Chesterfield, and enjoy, Sofa as you can!
John
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
John, whatever are you talking about? Did you read couch into this somehow? It's coach as pinstriping a couch might irriagate the owners...
Now that's a pinhead Ken!!!
Posted by John Lennig (Member # 2455) on :
Aliens.....
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Al and who???
Posted by Jeff Ogden (Member # 3184) on :
When I hear pinhead, I think of the comic strip character Ziggy...I too am one of those that doesn't like the term applied to stripers.
Frank, I wonder if the term pinstriping has anything to do with pin feathers? Feather quills used to be used for calligraphy and illuminated manuscripts, which had some fine lines adorning them. Maybe some scribe reasoned that if a large quill was good for lettering, then a pinfeather would be just right for tiny lines.
Well, maybe not...just a thought. I think we can say that the word pin connotates something small, so just basing it on that, a pinstripe is a small stripe....? So doesn't that make a pinhead someone with a small brain? See what I mean about not liking the term?
Ok folks...as you can see I, just guessing here...
While we're at it, I never thought the word letterheads was the best way to describe a sign person. Something with "head" in it reminds me of pothead. For a long time I stayed away from the letterhead movement because i thought they were all just a bunch of ...umm...smokers. Ha...pretty funny now.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
Then there was Zip the Pinhead.
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
I'm gonna take a guess and suppose that it meant.......pinning a stripe onto a surface? Some of the older vehicles of the 20's and 30's and even 40's had wide variations of which particular model would end up being pinned'. Was it an add on feature?
CrazyJack
Posted by Jeff Ogden (Member # 3184) on :
Then "pin" could have been aberrated from "pen", A penstripe ? Sounds about as likely as anything so far, Jack.
Posted by Steve Racz (Member # 4376) on :
i thought it might be because the lines are as thin as a pin... ?
Posted by John Largent (Member # 4606) on :
After looking into some of my Coach and Carriage Striping books, most of which were written in the late 1890s, early 20th century, "Pinstriping" is never mentioned. "Striping" or "Master Striper" are the terms used when describing the result and the Artist doing it.
I think the term "Pinstriping" was a term coined by the great promoter, George Barris, or his "contractor", one Kenny Howard. Remembering back, that's where I first saw the term. That puts it back to the mid fifties, more or less. It also could'a been one of the Car mags of the time, Barris had that Station Wagon and Jack Chrisman's A sedan on any paper that would take printer's ink!
One Might inquire of Mr. BOBBO Dunn, who though only 39 years of age, remembers it all well. heh, heh . . . He can actually relate several stories of him being on hand when Rameses' Chariot was striped, and Cleopatra's death barge was decorated!
Most of the "Stripers" I know aren't just Stripers, but Auto Artists. They do everything, Airbrush Art, Striping, Lettering (real, no stickies) and even complete Paint Jobs. There are those who do nothing but "Stripe", I believe Joey is one of those. And that certainly doesn't make him a bad guy. On the contrary. But the average Striper has many talents, so one name just doesn't fit!
Posted by Gonzalo (Peewee)Curiel (Member # 3837) on :
Frank, unfortunatly I made the sign back in '98 when I joined the now dead movement...#914 I think.. so ther it hangs a reminder of ol' times.. but it's still the same.. support your local pinstriper.. it keeps the wife and kids happy.. Mucho toys and lots of extra spending money for the wife!!!!!!!!!! But dad gets first pick!
[ March 23, 2006, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Gonzalo (Peewee)Curiel ]
Posted by John Largent (Member # 4606) on :
As for the Signpainters, I'd like to add . . Back when I worked pretty hard at being a signpainter, I had never heard the term "Letterhead" let alone any other reference except "Sign Painter".
But, almost every time I worked out in the public, there was always the person who would stop and watch, and after awhile, comment, "My uncle (or other relative) was a Sign Painter . . but he was a drunk, y'know!" . .
so which would be worse, a "Letterhead" . . or a "Drunk"?
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Letterheads was started by a group of young apprentices who shared a comman love for letterstyles. It was the 70's. The Grateful Dead had a following call DeadHeads. It seems the term Head found itself attached to many things. That included the term LetterHead. Sounded pretty cool way back then.
A few year later, Letterheads that did pinstriping decided they needed a separate identity that would define themselves. There are some, including myself, that wish we could have remained as one group, but that's history. The term PinHead was born.
To me, the personal choice to call yourself a Letterhead and/or Pinhead is based on much more than the simple fact we make signs or pull lines. There are all sorts of people in the "sign business" that will never have any interest in Letterheads or Pinheads. They just don't feel the passion we all share. They work their 9-5 making signs or applying sripes in bodyshops without any thought of the history or artform involved.
Dispite that fact, Letterheads and Pinheads are alive and as strong as ever. In Detroit we witnessed almost 150 pinstripers doing their thing for charity. Their ranks included all sorts of new, young, talanted, passionate Men and Women. Their enthusiasm reignites the fire within all off us that take the time to meet and work at their sides.
I'm not sure if anything can be done to change the term PinHead at this point. Since we are a non organization, it's an exercise that could result in politics and all the negative that often comes with that. It would be a terrible thing if we damaged or lost the baby fooling with the bathwater.
Letterville is growing faster everyday. We know that their are all sorts of new arrivals, and some old friends, that have not yet got a full grasp on what Letterheads is all about. That only comes by attending a live meet and getting personally involved. It's important for all to realize that whenever I say Letterhead, I am talking about PinHeads, AirHeads, ChiselHeads, etc.....anyone who is obsessed with the joy and tradition of creating something and sharing their discoveries with others.
That's my 2 cents.
[ March 23, 2006, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
Posted by Steve Racz (Member # 4376) on :
another thought - maybe pinstriping had it's origin from the clothing term pinstripe (a thin vertical line usually on white or gray)???
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Using the Deadheads as your defense has only stiffened my resolve in feelings about use of PH term, what a good example to showcase as reason not to use term!!! Deadheads may have started because of the Grateful Dead, but they existed on the backs of Americans everywhere they showed up. They were for the most part, lazy, dirty, ungrateful, and thieves and thugs...they fouled public places w/their waste,human included, and stole anything not tied down...don't misunderstand, there were some, not many, well heeled Deadheads; but you didn't see them in old school buses working a plaza or truckstop for money...or lose things to them after they had left. I always equated them to old adage about traveling gyspies: Are they gone yet? Don't know, anything missing? Ya! OK, their gone!!!
In other words, not a title that would suggest something positive. To put it in sign veiw: I have a friend that was airborne during Nam; totally gung-ho and a good troop, his nick was well earned, "Maddog". Later in life he decided to pursue his love, when due to a work related accident, he lost ability to do his work, hi-rise iron-worker, he "fell in hole" as they say, 65 ', crushed his knees.....his passion is music and he opened a mobile piano tuning business and when planning out how and what to do to his work ride, we discussed name of company. He was steadfast on "Maddog's Piano Tuning", it took awhile, but I finally convinced my friend that wasn't in his best business interests...naturally. Example is extreme, but effectfully exhibits why I wouldn't then or now, accept nick given pinstripers. To further expond, the other terms used to bolster the other veiw, aren't terms readily thrown around, can't remember last time an airbrush artist called himself a airhead, maybe I need to get out more? When was last time someone called a carver chiselhead? And if they did, as with term Letterhead, there isn't any negative history to distort true meaning away as w/term PH.... I'm not comfortable being referred to as a Letterhead as I'm simply not a "true" signman, and even then I'd have to feel elevated in the ranks to really be comfortable, as term always seemed to me to bring a ring or suggestion of respect dealt out to those that excel in their craft...although I must say that to be called one wouldn't bother me, as it isn't also suggesting anything less as is term PH...ok, story: Once at a PH event, I was offered room/board for appearance, cool. When I left to get room at midnite, which I was assured was waiting, deskclerk from India, had a good three/four minute gutting wrenching laugh at my expense when, as instructed, I informed him upon entering lobby of motel, that I was a PH, so that he would know to give me the already arranged room rate and I was also wearing a PH t-shirt...he busted up and literally had a hard time hanging on to the counter from laughing so hard, and pointing...then to make it all worse, he said to me: "Oh, you stupid guy, like family w/cones on heads, huh?" Needless to say, I found nothing amusing about it, whipped out credit card, paid for my own room, thanked Punjab and left next morning...also Jay Leno's use of it to illustrate his love of stupid ppl, which he's famous for, just drives my point home in spades... Also Steve, coming thru the ranks as a pinstriper, I did alot of lettering and farmed out a bunch too; but at least here, never ran across a signman/pinstriper, in fact, doors opened for me in past because they couldn't stripe and hired me on a job by job basis and that's how I was professionally introduced to the wonderful little world of signs and signmen, and "Izador Posner",(whom was our secret brush source for years), wouldn't trade it for even world peace, well, I'd at least think about it...point is, I have no point here...this regressed for a bit, but had turned to the history of term "pin" and where it came from and how it ended up on front of striper......original point still stands as stated... Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Hey Frank ... lemme see if I got straight....you and CJ don't like the term Pinhead????
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
NO!!!
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
I had never seen or heard the term until one day when I saw a handout at a carshow with a opportunity to spend $25. for a number with a certficate. I jumped in of course, lost the certificate and now I suppose I'm not the pinhead I thought I was. Moving on to "Letterheads" I'm cool with that. But, I have always refered and prefered the title "Signwriter" which is totoally inclusive and comes with a union card usually and also a local. But, them days is long gone like a turkey in the corn, and well.....you know the rest of the story.
I am Bonifide.! Or Bonified?
Anyway some of us used or uses mostly paint. Lord forgive me for I have sinned with a computer and a plotter and a printer...All in the same day.!
CrazyJack "The Striper"
Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
Cuzin Si........
"NO"........
and NO again............!!
and ol Izzy didn't either........ I can't even imagine someone tryin to call him that.... Well I can imagine.........but not in front of his friends.......and thas a whole bunch of us..
and if/when Frank gets the job of runnin homeland Security...... I'm his right hand.......... I'm serious......
That thought really does something for me.....
[ March 23, 2006, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: CJ Allan ]
Posted by Bart Robinson (Member # 6678) on :
Call me pinhead, stripe guy, pinstriper....just show me the money
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
I posted someting a few years back saying 'where did the word 'pin' sneak in'... as in all historical articles & old trade journals downunder, and some UK & USA books, it's just called striping- and concord striping was a different class again, but pin was not a part of the word.
Someone replied saying that pin had been used since the late 1940s or thereabouts in USA- or that his Dad had used the word from about there, then.
Suits & clothes with pinstripes do make some sense, but customers don't want paint on them!
Posted by Rose Davidson (Member # 6168) on :
Frank wrote: "When was last time someone called a carver chiselhead?"
My answer: Don't know, but have heard the term "knothead" for a woodworker... Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Another old post from the past emerges. How do you change a name at this stage of the game? I fully understand the dislike of the term PinHead, but how do we go about changing it? Who's in charge?
Joey don't mind jumping into the frying pan. Let's let Joey pick a new name.
[ November 24, 2006, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
I still prefer age old tag of "pinstriper", that way I fufill first law of signs, who I am and what I do.....end of story... Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
thats funny Frank, I was about to say the same thing but erased it then when I got back to the BB, I saw your post. All I've ever been is a Pinstriper and thats all I ever wanted to be and as I always say, I'm just a straight line striper
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Your wish just may be coming true. There's 2 big Pinstriper Jamborees coming up. Barb and I attended last year's event in Detroit. Come join us this year!
Yeah Steve, Sam/Keith did good, real good...they've tried since day one to get me involved and it's the same answer each time...I don't fly, so it would have to be driven, lets see, hmmmm, about 2300/2500 miles, mostly in snow/sleet/ice/rain, does any one remember last time I ventured out of my dry, desert home and got stuck overnite in a snowbank? I don't do winters either!!!
Another important factor, I also don't, for personal reasons, leave Scotty for any reason and show promoters wouldn't give Sam permission to allow me to bring him into area of show, of course rendering any thoughts of going blank...AND, the closest hotel doesn't allow pets either, so it was a easy, but diffucult decision to make.
Sam/Keith are good friends, especially Sam, he and I go way back and have a very close relationship, it pained me deeply not to be able to go...
I also have an obligation to a client here and till it is completed I can't leave here for anything much more than 1-2 days...BUT, there's a light in the tunnel, I've entered the paint stage and it's all downhill from here...won't be long now and I'm free to pursue different venues, one in particular...
If free and able to drive motorhome I'm looking for, I could go to Sam's and leave Scotty in M/H and not worry, he'd be safe, and feel safe(he suffers from separation anxiety and is prone to seizures when upset, which leaving him brings on) and I could attend the show!!! We'll see, there's always next time... Posted by David O'Hanlon (Member # 2754) on :
Pinhead...??? I suppose that's a heap better than what I'm usually called.
Posted by Joe Cieslowski (Member # 2429) on :
Howie Nisgor says that the name "Pinhead" was coined at tne International Meet that was sponsered by Bill Beckner.....I don't know the year....late 80's? The panel jammin was going on in the firehouse hall while the stripers were working in the garages next door. Someone in the hall asked where the stripers were and someone told him the "Pinheads" were next door.
The name stuck.
At Bill Beckners "Pinhead Panel Jam" in '98, "Where it all started", (where I got this story) they had a group shot of the "Original" Pinheads (The ones that were striping at the International). There were six at this meet...Alan Johnson, Howie Nisgor, Mr."J",David Hightower, Tramp Warner and a sixth that I don't know.
For what it's worth...
Joe,
Makin Chips and Havin Fun!
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Pinstripers International Network Historic Exotic Artistic Design Stylists
the wording as put together by Howie Nisgar.
Edited to say Thank god its over
[ November 25, 2006, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: Joey Madden ]
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Of course I already know this, but let me feign surprise here and comment on factoid "pinhead" tag was coined at meet on the EAST coast, OK, got it...
Still doesn't ring, what does all that mean? It does have a meaning doesn't it? It sounded now as then, a quick fix for a now situation that should have been examined more thoroughly before tagging half the country as morons...
I'm for burying the term, as deep as possible if you please...let those that deserve to wear the tag use it!!!
Thanks Joe, story is about as accurate as it's ever going to get, heheh...AJ should know who missing striper was or is...
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
OH!!! and Joey, who said it's over? What are we discussing here? It ain't over until ppl. quit using term to define pinstripers in general, something I don't see happening anytime soon, not enough ppl. are offended by the term... Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
" Definitions of 'pinhead' (pĭnhĕd) - 3 definitions - The American HeritageŽ Dictionary
pinhead (n.) The head of a pin. pinhead (n.) Something very small or insignificant. pinhead (n.) A stupid person; a dunce. "
NUFF SAID???????
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Today, saturday....I am off to a demonstration meet with a few other stripers and sign writers. The location is Wyotech, a school where auto repair,paint, and extensive types of customizing and hotrodding are taught. Without question, the term "PINHEAD" will not be used for the pupils attending this event. People will not graduate as a pinhead. For sure.........
CrazyJack
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Well the turn out was interesting. Around 75 people showed up. Three Pro's four semi pro's and a whole bunch'a wanna be's. Jim Bradley, Jim Moser and myself gave some talk and lots of demo's and put brushes in the hands of all the students and some of them came up with some wild stuff from thier fertile minds. We talked a lot of basic and disipline rap to those who stuck through the whole thing and never once brought up the word "pinhead". I would say out of the 65 or so students,there will be probably 10 that will get into it on a serious level. We may do a two day event next year with more to add to the gig.
Hail.......stripers!
CrazyJack
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
I can't think of three better men to have done that, how are my friends Jim and Jim? Sounds like a cool deal Jack, next year I may be free to participate if asked, hint-hint...pinstripers do it wetter...
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
To every pinstriper now, before and coming... I want to thank you for all the beautiful stripes on my colorful Christmas candy when I was a child. My heart and dentist are forever grateful!!!!!!
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
As Popeye would say!
"I am who I is!" yuk! yuk! yuk!
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
I myself am a InkHead. Anything that flows out of a Nib or Quill or Airbrush or Computer Mouse or Pen and Pencil for that fact makes the drawing (Illusration/Graphics) come to life....
Hell sometimes I will use Charcoal or Pastels or Paints. Even a Stick in the sand to work out ideas...
But then again..... "Who am I but a person with a vivid imagination...."
[ December 03, 2006, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Yah, Frank and Joey, and all who stripe. It was a nice time for an elderly gentleman that I am and........ I might even start back to pullin lines again. It was a deal that had potential to maybe put on a "Rat Fink" gig for about three days or so up this way. I will talk with Moser, and the Wyotech group about such a thing.
Jack
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Jack, cool, count me in...don't hold me to this as I don't control the purse strings, I only can advise, but do I need to see if boss lady will donate some RF gear for giveaways??? Also let me check into use of RF name for this gig...can't just do it anymore, gots to have permission, rightfully so...I do know, you can't call it "The RF Reunion." And, I'm assuming here, you're talking about this possibly being on WYO'S property? That opens/closes doors, we'll just have to wait and see on that one...but count me in, no matter...uh, are ya inviting Mikey? Cause if Mikey ain't coming, what's the sense? I've already seen you this year, hahahahaha...(maybe even talk him into letting Brush Rush come back to Sac)(jus a thought)
Joey, you game? bring Cranky, some shrimps, lots of sauce, we won't care if it's nice or not, heheheh...(jus eating like Vikings)
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
I dunno Frank, my calendar had Jack Wills on a call for today and the ol'fart never called and on the other hand I'm not really into politics and such crap as the who's who in pinstriping. I like this idea of a suede kind of meet but to see only a bunch of ol'farts reminiscing of the days in old California, all I really have to do is walk down main street right here in G.P.
As soon as I hear anything regarding permission it turns me off as I've never been into pinstriping politics and all that Cal-talk thrown in from over the hill surfers who continually believe that California invented every trend that ever was. These things just makes me more ornery then I want to be. It will take some coaxing and as time nears, I may show up if only to lay out a couple 1/64" lines but I'd like to see the appearance of some youngsters from the SketchKult movement to show all of us where its really at in their world.
Ya folla me Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Let me see if I can paint a verbal picture here. How about a 53 linclon capri, or a early bug with a 10 inch chop a 52 ford pickup 1/2 inch off the ground, a 36 olds coupe ready to go under the torch,a 34 plymouth 4 door chopped and hammerd,rust all over the place and this Wyotech, is anti billet heaven. not much chrome and suede marked like a pit bull. This joint has a sketchkult feel and lots of cats that can cut a fat hog. As far as politics and Rat Fink issues, that was just some sh!t that popped up in my head. I thinkin' that Nor Cal, only has a little action around the Sactown area and the place needs a shakeup wid some NO billet action and lots O' stripe activity. This is startn'to have a fifties feel, with whitewalls included. BTW the January show in Frisco at the Cow Palace will have at least...400 cars (Rat Rod and low brow custom) inside and that many more in the parking lot.
Thas IT'......
Jack
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
OK, not to worry, came thru loud and clear...let me know if and when, I'll check my calendar and see if it's feasible...
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
I watched the Ed Roth movie last night. There was reference to motorheads and gearheads long before the Grateful Dead were even in the picture. These terms, as well as Letterhead, do not bother me personally, but I do understand why the term PinHead is offensive to so many.
At this point, we have heard nothing from anyone that is in favor of keeping the term. We're prepared to do our small part by changing any Forum names and/or using the term Pinhead in anything we write personally. Until we hear different, we'll start using Pinstriper or Striper. Your choice.
We're not going to fool with what others decide to do. If you choose to host a meet and use the word PinHead, that is up to you as meet host. This is just something we will do to try and move away from a term so many find offensive.
Any objections? I don't want to offend those that may actually like the name.
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
STRIPERS, thats what our customers have been calling us all along.
Jack
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Not to start a flap w/esteemed member of our little clique, but as Jack prefers "striper", I'm fond of entire name, "pinstriper." Either way is fine w/me Steve.....and speaking strictly for myself, I applaud your action, thank you... Posted by Dave Draper (Member # 102) on :
I use to pinstripe a lot, and will on special occasions now, but I never thought of my self as anything but a sign painter or sign maker.
I never knew so many pinstripers are at odds with the term PinHead.
If this is the case, it would be a good for this web site to discuss changing the name "PinHead" to something you/we feel more comfortable with.
Wikipedia doesn't associate PinStrippers with PinHeads. Its probably time to "get it correct".
[ December 07, 2006, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Dave Draper ]
Posted by Jon Jantz (Member # 6137) on :
quote: Wikipedia doesn't associate PinStrippers with PinHeads
If any of these guys start stripping.... I'm outta here, Dave.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Hey youngster, at this age, you make it any ol way ya can!!! (ask OP)
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