Anybody else think the Rolling Stones halftime show was pathetic? I read some really poor reviews of it online as well.
My take:
I've seen some other "clips" of Mick Jagger singing (if that's what you call it) live. In each case, I thought his vocals were absolutely horrible when compared to his studio cuts.
There are rock and rollers who sound just as good live as they do on cd.....and a few that are even better live. But Mick Jagger isn't one of them. I think the only way he sounds good is on a carefully mixed and crafted cd.
His stomping to and fro on stage flailing his arms around reminded me of someone that just poked a baldface hornets nest and was trying to repel the attacking swarm.
At 62, it grossed me out to see him rotating his boney hips around .... and my 19 year old daughter just said, "Yech! Get that ugly, disgusting old man off the stage."
Keith Richards was ashen faced as usual and looked in critical need of another live saving plasma transfusion.
The other guitarist (name?) was semi-respectable...even given his Cher inspired hairdo from the late sixties.
All in all, I thought it was a very lackluster performance. Drugs do take their toll.
As much as I can't stomach her, I think Janet Jackson's Wardrobe Malfunction was much more intertaining than the stones performance.
It will be a while before I can muster up courage to put my Stones Hits cd back into play....gotta get that image out of my mind.
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
I can't disagree with you more. I really enjoyed watching the Stones. Far more than the game actually. I also thouroughly enjoyed the Motown intro.
My kind of music! Nettie
Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
Man, tell any touring group to set up and break down inside of an 20 minutes and see what you get. The groups you say sound as good live as on a recording take the better part of the day to do their show at night.
[ February 06, 2006, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: Santo ]
Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
There are two cities in this country that should NEVER import musical acts: Nashville, and Detroit.
That being said, I think a half time show with Bob Seger, Ted Nugent, Mitch Ryder, and other Michigan people would have been in order. Not to mention all of the Motown acts available to us. Just a thought
I wouldn't call it "pathetic" but I would say the audio was much worse than past Super Bowl half time shows. I think a Rolling Stones medley would have been more fun.
[ February 06, 2006, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Rick Beisiegel ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Fair enough Janette...glad you enjoyed it....
I think it's very interesting how different people perceive things - that makes life fun.
Still, I wasn't at ALL impressed. I think Paul McCartney's Superbowl show was far more polished, professional and - in my opinion - more of a show of true talent than the Stone's. But again, that's just one man's opinion.
I tend to agree with Rick's comments. With Detroit's rich history, it seems they could have gotten one of the Motown greats to do that Bowl show. I know there was some controversy in regards to that.
I just didn't "get no satisfaction" from that performance.
Posted by Rich Stebbing (Member # 368) on :
I seen in San Francisco this past November and thought they "rocked".My energy got zapped from just watching Mick work the stage. Yeah they are older and on the JumboTron the close-ups were far from flattering, but their stage presence & performance more than satisfied thousands as they do when they sell out worldwide. Last year I seen ZZ Top perform, and yeah their beards were grayer/whiter and more narly than ever but once again a band that has spent their whole lives doing it, and it just comes off great. Now these were live as opposed to TV which to me really never enhances anything, but does the opposite. My .02
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Rich - I saw ZZ Top about 9 years ago live too...and I agree - they sounded fantastic!
Posted by Jane Diaz (Member # 595) on :
I am a MAJOR Aretha fan, always have been, but she was disappointing. She just seemed to be stuggling and straining to sing, as was Aaron, another favorite. I'm sure it has to be tough to stand in the middle of a football field and belt one out, but you would think with today's sound systems, they could have done a better job with that. It was like they couldn't hear the accompaniment. We went to see Aretha a few years ago in concert, too and I was not a happy camper, nor was alot of the audience. She wander around the stage looking sort of dazed at first, sang a few of her old hits, did some new stuff that was passable and then "needed to take a break" in her words. She introduced her son, who came out and did RAP!! AARRRGHHH!!!! Over HALF of the audience got up and left! We did stay, because I was such a fan, but when she came back she finished with some of her new stuff and it went progessively downhill. I was so disappointed! I have always thought of her as my favorite singer and I just wanted to cry. Not to mention we spent close to $50/ticket! Give me my old Aretha records and a hairbrush for a microphone....
I never really cared for the Stones so them being bad was no big surprise. They never really impressed me with their "musical ability", Sorry. I just thought they rode the two songs I recognized into the ground...how many times can you sing the same verse over and over!! HOHUM!! There have been some GREAT superbowl entertainment acts over the years, but this was not a good year! IMHO!
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
hahaha... Todd, maybe it's an age thing. I might be closer to 62 than you.
I just hope that at 62, I'm still strutting my stuff with as much energy! Because, if I could, I would! Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
LOL Janette.....
I gotta admit - - Mick was sporting some six-pack abs that I was jealous of. He definately has energy.... Can't fault him there.
All that high-steppin made me wonder if he's been training with RiverDance....hehehe.
Janette....if you're closer to 62 than I, then you should be proud of yourself...because you look much closer to 34.
Keep on Jazzercizin'. Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
I agree with Rick; they should have gotten some motown stuff or the motor city madman. ...heck, I agree with Todd's daughter too! I've never been much of a Stones fan even tho we did a few covers by them. It's strange seeing a bunch of dudes that could collect social security (if they were a U.S. Citizens) doing that on stage. I think they could have done a LOT better than the Stones. I think Millie Vanillie would have been better, LOL.
Posted by John Largent (Member # 4606) on :
Of course, I like their Studio music a lot better than live . . But, Todd . .
You better hope that you can do half that after doing what you do now for 40 years . . . I have to bet you've never done anything close to the Drugs, Sex and Rock and Roll any of the Four Old Guys have done . . Keith Richards has either gotta be one tough old bast*rd or a pretty frail one . . I'm betting on the former!
As far as a review . . . they were vertical, had pulses, and made music . . what more can you ask of one of the few (if any, really) Original Bands that's been entertaining constantly for 40 years? And drawing big crowds, I might add . . . and it was free . . . . if ya wanted quality, you should'a bought the Album!
Posted by Jill Marie Welsh (Member # 1912) on :
I still think Mick is VERY hot. But my fave Stone is Charlie. Altho I admit the vocals were so-so, ANYTHING is better than hip-hop or rap. Love.....Jill
Posted by Joe Endicott (Member # 628) on :
Really,in my opinion, it was the sound mixing that was so horrible, not the band. The mix was constantly adjusting, and never right. But the band...well, they can do no wrong.
It was way off during the anthem, too. Where the hell were Nevell's vocals?
Right toward the end of the Stones set it was almost there, but it was too late. It's a shame.
Posted by Susan Daniel (Member # 6092) on :
quote:Originally posted by Todd Gill: My take: His stomping to and fro on stage flailing his arms around reminded me of someone that just poked a baldface hornets nest and was trying to repel the attacking swarm.
I thought Mick's flapping biceps (or as Si said "batwings" LOL) were gross! hahahahaha! Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
I sat home critiquing it as well. Credit where credit is due, & they do have energy, history, fame & they got the call... but I think they got the call because someone couldn't think of who else to ask to entertain such a wide span of ages & musical tastes as one might expect from a superbowl audience. I think dozens of well known contemporary acts could have done a far better job of entertaining me... & I personally feel that plenty of them are widely recognized enough to have been a good bet for near universal appeal... but someone got lazy, or chicken & went with an old favorite just to be sure that it sounded like a big name act for a big name event. They aren't pathetic yet, but if they want to retire before the consensus of the masses does judge them to be pathetic... they might need to at least start thinking about it IMO.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
speakin from a DRUG, SEX ROCK N ROLL senior citizen veiwpoint.....when you get to that 60 or better mark TODDI, just hope and pray you can still function half as well as that old group!!! and it aint the SEX, DRUGS, or ROCK N ROLL that takes its toll....it just YEARS....hope you make it todd.... i tell people i taught JAMES BROWN his moves....and i used to dance as good if not better then him...but 50 and up....i dont seem to dance anymore........not that i dont want to....sound did suck, but it was a football staium with 300,000 people makin noise!!!
Posted by John Deaton (Member # 925) on :
What Joe said. You gotta understand, we arent hearing what they are live, where Im sure it sounded quite a bit better, but whats being mixed through the boards at the televisions station. You can hear every little thing that goes wrong through tv, nothing like whats live and on stage. Ive been a Stones fan since the time I first heard them, and still consider them one of the innovative groups from the 60s. In todays lineup of "music" they still sound better to me than the bozos that claim the airwaves now. I do like Greenday though. Posted by Al Checca (Member # 2216) on :
I love the Stones, thought the show was pretty fair all things considered. Keith Richards is my hero...The official lab rat.
I love the "Rockers with walkers" How cool is it to go to a Stones show and see 3 generations watching them.. The have stood the test of time to me.! They Rock....Still
Posted by coop (Member # 504) on :
First of all I'll give them some credit, they did not lip-synch like so many "artists" choose to do in difficult situations. And I admire them for being able to perform as well as they did.
I think Joe had it right, the sound engineers never got the mix correct. Ron Woods played about half of a solo before anybody bothered to turn him up. The bass player (Darryl Jones) who is probably the best musician on stage, may as well have stayed home. You could not hear him in the mix, and the only time he was on camera was when Mick strutted by.
I give them an "A" for showmanship "D-" for sound quality "C" for overall performance
I vote "NO" for sending them to Hollywood.......
Paula? Randy?
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
The sound engineering was about the worst i've ver seen. Jaggers voice was drowned out (maybe on porpose) by the blaring guitars.. The guitars when in solo didn't come forward... Bunch of amature engineering. Local union operators didn't have a clue..
Worse than last years fiasco when the singer counldn't get her ear monitors to work so she sang out of time....
Overall it Suxed ..bad,, really bad..
Posted by Tony Vickio (Member # 2265) on :
It was like watching one of the Super Bowl commercials..........a comedy!!! What I'd like to know is who dreams up the half time garbage!
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
Since I'm not into football at all, I didn't watch it. I am, however, a big stones fan. I've heard them live on a number of occasions and seen them perform on TV a good bit. Yes, thier sound can be off badly as can most rock acts. I've been to a ton of concerts over the past forty years. One thing I've noticed, if it's a rock act you're going to see, chances are the sound mix will be awful. If it's a country act of any sort, the sound mix will be perfect. It's got nothing to do with how loud they play either. When I saw Hank Williams jr. he was the second loudest performing band at the time, second only to somebody like Guns and Roses....the sound was perfect........deafining, but perfect Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
Im with you george. Back when i was younger I did personal security for a number of musical concerts. Willy nelson, Rod Stewert, Guns n' roses, metalica, jerry lee lewis etc..
The sound engineering was the single most important concept in a show. IE: I watched Guns roses sound perfect in the Super dome but sound like crap at the LSU arena.. While rod stewert was vice versa..
Now, I could tell you some back stage stories,, But if i did, then i would have to execute every one.. Posted by Sonny Franks (Member # 588) on :
Great band - wrong venue.
The Stones are fantastic in a place where they've had more than 5 minutes to work up a sweat. I haven't missed a tour since 1972, until this year - they priced me out of the congregation. I bought the CD and put the ticket money in my "Trossachs Tickle Fund" instead(Letterhead Meet in Scotland)
Bucks better spent..........
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
There's nothing like the Rolling Stones. I found them all to be awesome.
And, yes I have other favorites, and agree they could have had other groups (I love Bob Seger, too), but, as was noted this group pleases more of the wide span of four or five generations than many, many groups.
They are doing fantastic despite their age and the hard lifestyle they led. Who would imagine they would still be going. I didn't enjoy Aretha's performance at all either, and at first I didn't even recognize her, but, those who loved the Stones back then probably had a blast of nostalgia Sunday. They did a heck of a lot in the short time they had to do it. The special effects were not bad. And I don't hold the sound problem against them. We just have to see through it, I guess. And, I'm not looking for a cutsie face when I'm getting down rockin! It's all in the listening and remembering how it was back then.
If they would have also played Ruby Tuesday and Paint it Black, I would have truly done a flip.
I do enjoy Paul McCartney as an artist, person, poet, and all the qualities he's lived through the years, as their is not enough praise for his work and honest, loving lifestyle.
Posted by Laura Butler (Member # 1830) on :
I was never a big fan even though they were great to dance to in the 60's...especially if you were stoned. But I thought the show stunk. I kept remarking to my husband "hear how he is slurring the words".
And Susan, those batwings were gross. I noticed those too. I missed everything up to half time as we were without electricity.
Posted by Steve Purcell (Member # 1140) on :
There are a few bands from the '60's - '70's era that have maintained a level of energy and freshness that makes them a worthwhile take even unto this day.
Unfortunataly, The Stones aren't one of them.
I last saw them live in '76.
Jagger was trying to do the same schtick the other night as he did back then.
It wasn't flattering. Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
I have to laugh at the "flapping bat wings" comments. Wow, you guys are pretty critical. It's funny how differently we all view things. I noticed what good shape Mick was still in ... his energy, the biceps and the six pack, and how well he could move. Heck, I'm not as old as Mick, and I'm reasonably fit, yet my triceps still jiggle some. sheesh Knowing how difficult it is to firm triceps, I guess I'm abit more forgiving with my critiques. At 62, I wonder how our triceps will be doing. LOL
I really liked the way they had the stage set up in the Stone's logo, and how they unveiled the tongue to be an audience. Imagine sitting in those seats, ... whatta rush!
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
quote:Originally posted by Steve Purcell: There are a few bands from the '60's - '70's era that have maintained a level of energy and freshness that makes them a worthwhile take even unto this day.
Unfortunataly, The Stones aren't one of them.
I last saw them live in '76.
Jagger was trying to do the same schtick the other night as he did back then.
It wasn't flattering.
Make fun of them as you wish, but they were the half time show at the super bowl, they still tour and sell tickets. They may be doing the same schtick but it's selling isnt it?
I didn't hear about any buff sign carvers or painters or stickers, or digital artists doing a half time show.
I'm not picking on your directly Steve, just decided to quote you
[ February 08, 2006, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
I've gotta agree with Steve. The Stones' act doesn't work with 60+ year old men performing it. Also, I suspect the "good shape" much more likely comes from illicit drugs than from any kind of exercise.
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
I think it's amazing the Stones are still at it, and I admire their ability to remain popular through the years. Mick Jagger looked pretty good, all things considered, although he isn't able to move with the grace, style, and timing he once did.
I wasn't terribly impressed with the Superbowl performance, but I could see it was live and not under the best of circumstances. I mainly felt sad that those great performers have to get old and eventually give the stage to younger people who may never fill their shoes.
I have a hard time believing a band like the Stones could endure over 40 years of performances if they were constantly using hard drugs. Perhaps I'm naive in that regard.
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
Yup, the Stones have had their hard druggie years, like so have many other rockers who have not come out the other side of it faring so well.
I saw a documentary on Mick once, and it did go into his crazy lifestyles some, but also showed him to be a devoted father of MANY kids. I was surprised he had such a large family. He seemed to have a terrific relationship with all of his kids.
His druggie days are history, don't think he even drinks anymore. And, he does work out with weights. So all I can say for the "flappy" triceps is, hey, age and gravity happen. Those who don't yet get that are in for a surprise.
Charlie, who is a Cancer survivor, was looking terrific.
Posted by thom miller (Member # 1845) on :
You have to consider the audio is not going to be good on a live performance coming via TV, especially when the stage is set up in a matter of miunutes. BUT shouting out lyrics instead of singing notes is not my idea of a good performance. And, can someone PLEASE just sing the national anthom instead of turning into a "performance". What a trainwreck of a job they did on that! Seems to me ever since Whitney Houston gave her great rendition before the superbowl during the 1st golf war, everyone else has been trying to out-do her..and no one has done it yet.
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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
I'll agree that the stage sound was horrible...no doubt about it...and that DID take away from the performance to a degree...
But what I was unimpressed by - beyond that - was pretty much the awful delivery of the lyrics by Mick.....and I think Don Coplen pretty much summarized my opinion of this.
Hey, I LIKE the Stone's music....I have their extended greatest hits, so I'm not just diss'in Mick. But I'd like a dna sample to prove that was really Mick singing - because it sounded more like a drunk Johnny Cash belching out words without any harmonic quality what-so-ever.
As far as the batwings go? I can't comment too much - I did notice them - but I can't help being a little distraught over this little jiggly poochy thing that has formed beneath my lower jaw....and I'm 15 years away from being 60.
What is that thing anyway? Do people evolve into Storks and need a place to store fish - - - or what?!
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
Its time to stop dissin' peope because of the effects of normal aging.
Just because we all look like we're still 30 when approaching 55 doesn't mean we can diss others.. NO?
Posted by Jeff Ogden (Member # 3184) on :
I think they should go back to marching bands, instead of all the hype. After all, that's more of a football tradition. The Famu band could show us all a few moves.....
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
You know....Jeff has a great point. Marching bands and all their choreographed numbers were really pretty cool. I forgot all about them.
Great idea Jeff!
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
I thought that "Tongue Logo" stage was very impressive - one of the baddest stages I've ever seen - Z Z Tops's stage shaped like the state of Texas with the live buffaloes & animals might have been better - although neither would compare to the "KISS" stages in the early '80's -
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Curtis hammond: Its time to stop dissin' people because of the effects of normal aging.
Nobody has ever accused the Stones of "normal" aging.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Didn't watch game, lost interest years ago, over-rated in my opinion...source of constant irritation to me, all these years wasted, spent learning a trade and craft to earn a living and pay for a few luxuries along the way, when I could have played football in school and be making millions a year and doing just about whatever I wanted to, whether it bothered anyone or not...what a fool I've been...woe is me...spare a million buddie?
I have respect for the situation highlited by older artists still performing, some have to, can't afford not to, others wish to, which is it's own courage in it's self too...time is the culprit, no matter how good one takes care of body, it starts to regress, naturally, around the age of 60 these days, later in time, that number will surely increase as it has since when I was a kid, livespan was around 75 when I was young...but around 60, body starts to run out of fuel and things change, mind may want to do something, but body is slow in responding to orders, takes longer unless one is into pain, then welcome to utopia, old age has plenty of pains....heheheheh
I guess my message is: Be kinder in your words about the aged, it's just a matter of time until your there in their shoes..... Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
If the musicians are great, it doesn't matter how they are aging. I do pay closer attention when they do, just to catch up to the newer image and experiences they are bringing back to us; and then I'm usually very impressed and surprised how they exceeded my expectations-these are professionals! The Stones had to have changed their eating and habits to look this good and keep together, then perform in this large audience. Mick is a family man, and with his lovely wife, they do the natural thing, way of life.
When I saw Jethro Tull in Rockford a year and a half ago, he was at his best of all time, still singing as though he was preserved in a time capsule from 1971! He looked very very nice, and had everyone dancing and rocking on that summer night. His voice was in perfect shape, and it is rare that someone improves in 30 years; he did.
It's just great to get the opportunity and time to see our history come back to us better than ever! so, if they have any flaws, well, good rock and roll is taught to over look that kind of thing- it's to get deeply carried away in the music and meaning...so if you feel less than that, you probably forgot to" Baby let your hair hang down! *don't forget to do that now.chow!
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Deb - One of the best concerts I've ever been to was from a band that before the show I thought had seen better days - 'bout 11 years ago at a little race track in North Mississippi - Blue Oyster Cult - that show drew probly 4,000 people but for that area it was a big event - remember running out of gas leaving - the cops had set up roadblocks - they gave me a gallon of gas to git me out of the way - Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac has aged well as well last time I saw her - -
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