No offense Bill, but this obsession of yours is getting creepy. How often do you look for validation for your allegiance to a alternative computer system? If the Mac is as life enhancing as you constantly say and imply, just revel in the private joy of your good fortune.
We'll be ok in pc land. Really. Posted by Dale Manor (Member # 4858) on :
It's OK Bill, you have to love them for their allegiance to a company without an original thought in their veins!
Posted by Mike McCloud (Member # 766) on :
Well Dale, some of us need to run more programs that Adobe and 3 others. Hence the need for a pc. The reason for the vulnerabilites that seem to be inherent to Windows is the fact that(as any competent computer programer will tell you) virus masters would rather mess with the leader than with a system that's a small percentage of the computer market. Afterall where is the fun in that. A mac virus would barely raise an eyebrow world wide. Mac's are not immune to virus, it's just that nobody cares about writing the virus to challenge that system. If or when Mac ever achieves close to a 50% marketshare, it will begin to exhibit the same apparently vulnerable characteristics as the IBM based system. As for Bill, he is one of the few very best friends that I have ever had in my considerably long life, and is a prince among men. And as far as his Mac addiction, he is constantly attending Mac support group therapy sessions in his home town of T.C. I applaud his valiant attempt to get help...... Bill, I love ya pal.....
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
If you are going to worship a company, worship Adobe. Adobe is responsible for Postscript, which is what really revolutionized computing. Remember printing before postscript? All dots and jagged nastiness? Remember when Adobe Type Manager came out and all of a sudden the screen matched the printed page - beautiful smooth curves and all? Remember how Adobe made scalable fonts and graphics before anyone else? These miracles originated on the Mac, but Adobe made the magic, not Apple. WYSIWYG is an Adobe thing, not an Apple thing.
Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :
Hey Dave, it's Friday. Just reporting the news from the "alternative computer" side.
You have my solemn promise that as soon as I come across an article that says something like, "Windows iron clad security saves the day", I'll post it.
In the interest of fair reporting, here are some other products that I use and can rave about. My Graphtec 5100, rock solid. Replaced a 2100 that I bought in 89 that was still going strong. Just needed something larger.
HP DesignJet 5000. Pretty much problem free. Great prints. Fast PosterJet rip. Been a profitable addition to the shop.
Gerber Edge, what can I say. Use it daily. It's the perfect compliment to a graphic screen shop. MacImprint is a totally great . . . . .oops. there I go again.
Umax Powerlook II scanner. Still does a great job after many years. Can't kill it. I did get Silverfast software to drive it after OS X though and it actually does a better job than the bundled Umax app did.
Arlon Calon 2 vinyl. Hasn't let me down. Good stuff.
Ruger firearms, Shimano and Daiwa fishing reels. Kawasaki motorcycles. Nikon digital cameras.
There, now I feel truly validated. Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :
Ha ha, Thanks Mike. You made my day. FYI, there is a reward of over $7,000 being offered for whoever writes the first valid Mac OS X virus. Just in case the 5% or whatever installed base isn't a big enough target.
Lets go fishing.
Posted by Mike McCloud (Member # 766) on :
promises, promises. fishing seems to be just a distant fantacy somewhere in the future. For now I'd just like to get a screen burned or a decent French Master or two...... dust off your waders and maybe a trip at ice out.....
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
I know you are well rounded guy Bill, I'm glad for the extra info. Come on, you know we are going to meet someday so let's have some other areas of discussion ready. Here's a couple: Traverse City, Golf in the "up north" area, and all things Michigan.
Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :
Dave, I appreciate the open invite and I'm sure our paths will cross too. but golf? :-) I was a greenskeeper through high school and college and it really distanced me from the game. Well, loved the job, hated the golfers. To appease my daughter, I have golfed three times in the last 5 or so years and it is kind of fun. The good news is that my age has somehow taken care of my slice.
Are you sure that you don't fish? How about kayaking? No motorcycle? Well heck, maybe next time I'm down home, (West Bloomfield), maybe we can meet for lunch or I can see your shop. I won't say a work about your cpu's either.
Posted by Dale Manor (Member # 4858) on :
Hey Bill, maybe you and I will have to form a Mac addicts support group somewhere in between your place and mine.
We could sit around and complain to each other about not being able to run Wal Mart's lastest release of Bubba Hunts Whitetails version VI on our Macs.
Before you all flame me to death, I understand the importance of PC's. I worked at a prototype shop for 3 years running a $20,000 SurfCAM package on 4 axis milling machines. That software package and many others are just not available for the MAC. And most likely never will be.
But hey, I can at least run a fairly trouble free machine that has a nice suite of software pre-installed. And although the new version of Corel isn't available for the Mac yet, I can struggle along with the Adobe suite. Seems to suit my needs.
We all like our machines and enjoy when they are doing what they are supposed to do!
And me and Bill just can't help poking a little fun, we're just kinda sick that way.....and I hope the day never comes when those looney virus writers start targeting the MAC. I like not having to learn about spyware and all that crap!
take care...happy computing
Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
Well, since the Michigan crowd is weighing in, I too will confess that Mr Modzel is creeping me out! Russ, (in other posts), seems to be the balanced one here with regard to the whole MAC/PC debate.
David: The Grand Traverse Bay is an awesome place to go bike riding too. There, I will agree with Mr. Modzel's choices.
Oh well, us 95% of the market share need to stick together.
[ January 27, 2006, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Rick Beisiegel ]
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Well Russ can join in because he is always so level headed in these arguments. Dale being a contrarion and from Wisconsin I'll have to think about.
Rick, my family visited Grand Traverse area last summer. Took a vacation on Higgins lake and spent a day there. I was the only in the family who had never been there. Very nice.
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
quote:Nobody knows who created the virus, which apparently was attached to an e-mail sent to the paper's circulation department.
If people would quit using known faulted software IE: Outlook and POSIE (Pile Of Stupid Internet Explorer) There would be almost no email virii infecting the universe.
Oh yes, I almost forgot.. As OP would write to show his teasing manner,,,, HEHEHEHEH!!!
A malicious script that spies on Apple Mac users was discovered over the weekend. The malware, which has been dubbed ‘Opener’ by Mac user-groups, disables Mac OS X’s built-in firewall, steals personal information and can destroy data.
Paul Ducklin, Sophos’ head of technology in the Asia Pacific, told ZDNet Australia that the malware, which Sophos calls Renepo, is designed to infect any Mac OS X drives connected to the infected system and it leaves affected computers vulnerable to further hacker attack.
Ducklin said Opener disables Mac OS X's built in firewall, creates a back door so the malware author can control the computer remotely, locates any passwords stored on the hard drive and downloads a password cracker called JohnTheRipper.
According to Ducklin, Opener tries to spread by copying itself to any drive that is mounted to the infected computer. This could be a local drive, part of a local network or a remote computer.
And one more fact,,, MAc are not as vulnerable to attack because they are not networked as extensively as PC's. It is well known that PC's protect MAC's because their huge installed base prompts virii deflector software makers to act fast within the PC community.. Thus it is more difficult to infect MAC's because the virri are stopped..
OOPS!! I almost forgot this one too.. I think I'll save the rest for later,,
Apple Computer released an update to its Mac OS X operating system on Tuesday to fix 15 security issues in the software.
Many of the problems are flaws in the operating system's underlying open-source software, including a critical flaw in the Kerberos authentication system--software that can act as a gatekeeper for computer networks. The patch is available for Mac OS X 10.3.5 and Mac OS X 10.3.4, and also fixes issues in Mac OS X 10.2, known as "Jaguar."
"All security enhancements...are also available for Jaguar, if the issue could occur on Jaguar systems," a security advisory from the company said.
The patch fixes software flaws that could enable an attacker to crash or freeze the Apache 2 Web server, run software by utilizing Apple's Safari Web browser or expose the password store used by the network. Security information provider Secunia/news:link> ranked the Kerberos threat as "highly critical," its second-highest danger rating.
Apple has pointed to open-source software as a source of security for the company's operating system. While open-source projects tend to release patches as soon as possible, Apple and other companies have moved to more occasional releases of collections of patches.
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