Where the hell is it? We have a subscription and I will be damned if I can remember the last time we got one. It was supposed to be four times a year. Seems like it it is turning into olympic style mailings....
All I ever hear is bunch of lip service from everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah...
I have also submitted stuff to them only to not get everything returned. I am tired of asking the old and new staff for my stuff back.
Jeff and Doc ... send me back my stuff!!!! Send me my magazines!!!!! Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
I was wondering the same thing Bruce, I thought it was just me or my subscription ran out. I do miss the magazine.
Posted by Stevo Chartrand (Member # 2094) on :
I got a subscription as a gift and I seen two issues in a year. I like Jeff, but personally I think this is a bloody JOKE!
Stevo
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
I think I got 1 last year. I gave up on seeing another issue. I figured maybe there was some little elitist club that got it and I wasn't allowed in on their secret magazine.
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
. . . I'd prolly subscribe to it . . .
If I tho't I'd actually receive it . . .
Is there a phone number we can call?? Does anyone live near the publishers, who could stop by and see if they still exist??
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
Jeff Lang had THIS to say last June. I subscribed 13 months ago. I think I got 2 issues
(hmmm... his posts still show up with the merchant tag... but he is not listed in the merchant page)
[ January 19, 2006, 01:12 AM: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
Posted by Jed Pedersen (Member # 2344) on :
I bought a 2 year subscription in August, 04 after hearing all the rave reviews on various boards and I have received exactly 1 issue, about 1 year ago.
Talk about an expensive magazine, must be a collectors item. I could've bought a nice bottle of Single Malt for that
Jed
Posted by Terry Colley (Member # 1245) on :
Can't say I am to happy to see letterheads knocking the Doc and Jeff . I am happy to get it when it's done, timescale on such a quality item is of no importance to me, I have subscribed, it will come. I think since the outset it has always been a little late, It must also be stated that Jeff is a commited family man,,Runs his own sign business THEN in his SPARE time puts together a great magazine for US to enjoy and help us with the inspiration it provides.I am also sure that there is very little in the way of profit on the magazine . It is a labour of love I am happy to wait Cheers Terry Cheers Terry
Posted by Jeff Lang (Member # 336) on :
Sorry folks, I hope to have this next issue together shortly & to your door. Yes, I am 3 months behind, & hope to do some catching up. Bruce, I am not sure if I know what material you are referring to, but let me know what you would like returned & I will speak to Doc & try to get it back to you asap.
I'll do what I can to make it right.
Jeff
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Terry, I couldn't have said it better myself.
AMAL is not a magazine published by a large company, with dozens of people on staff (earning a salary) to put it together. It's done as a labor of love, without pay, by a busy sign guy who has to make a living like all of us. Is it overdue? Yes. Does it matter? Well, who among us beleives that they could do a better job...
There's a lot of stupid crap on this board I won't dignify with a response. But sniping about AMAL, or slamming Jeff Lang, isn't something I'm likely to ignore.
Posted by Jay Allen (Member # 195) on :
Cam, I ditto every word you said.
AMAL may not always come in a timely fashion - and it is largely due to Jeff's devotion to family - and his workload. He knew it was a big job when he took it over - and he has never backed off his responsibilities. Anybody else want to do it? Do I hear crickets?
And $26 for one issue - or 4 issues - is worth it for what comes inside. Who can't respect a man who comes here to take his licks and own up to his responsibilities?
Kissy, "I figured maybe there was some little elitist club that got it and I wasn't allowed in on their secret magazine." is not a very healthy thing to say about Letterheads. Too many people feel there is an "us and them" in Letterheads.
That couldn't be LESS True. I'm sure you didn't mean it with any sincerity - but that remark gives some folks (who already believe there is a 'club') more gas to throw on that smoldering fire of 'elitism'.
It is about sharing - and NOT a clique with limited participation. If it was, then Letterheads would charge dues. It's free - so how can there be any separation between people? We're all equal if we only share what we know.
Looking forward to the next issue - and all the usual eye candy!!
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Hahahahaaa...Jay! You are just jealous that you don't belong to "the Club"
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
I don't think anyone is 'sniping'. It appears that the majority of the responses on this subject are making an obvious point.
They have paid for a subscription which promises a certain number of editions within a certain time frame. The fact that several people have NOT received those editions deserves the reasonable display of minor irritation of the part of the subscribers, and furthermore, has delayed at least one new subscriber.
It may be that the publisher should consider any number of decisions necessary in order to meet subscriptions, even possibley cancling the magazine.
We all have something that we are 'devoted to', ie; consumes our time. This is not a valid excuse for failing in our business endeavors.
I've seen the magazine and enjoyed it very much. I hope a resolution is found.
[ January 19, 2006, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Sheila Ferrell ]
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
well said sheila.
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
You know, I just can't shut up here. These little "scoldings to us mere peons" that happen here every once in awhile by a select few just kind of bug me.
First of all, it's true that Jeff is an absolute sweetheart, a devoted family man, and an endeared Letterhead. Personally, I LOVE the guy.
But let's be fair.
What I'm hearing is that some folks PAID for a subscription to a magazine that was to give them 4 issues per year ... and now in some cases they have not gotten but 1 issue in two years. Um ... is that really acceptable?
Jeff says he's only 3 months behind. Something isn't adding up, if there are people claiming to have not seen a mag in a year or so.
It wouldn't matter how wonderful a letterhead I'd be, or how busy I am in my homelife ... I certainly couldn't get away with that in my business.
I respect Jeff for being a merchant here, and paying to support this site. There are those here that could take his cue in that.
I respect Jeff for taking on a "labour of love" and doing a fabulous job with the content of AMAL. I respect him for coming on here and owning up to his shortcomings with the magazine and certainly I empathize with all his best intentions.
Having said that, I certainly don't blame people for questioning, and being abit miffed at not recieving a product they have paid for. I'm not just talking about it's timeliness here. If it's a bit late ... so what ... but not arriving at all is something different. Personally, I think that the better route for them may be to complain directly to Jeff or Doc, rather than airing it here. Unless they have already tried that to no avail.
As I remember, Cam aired, quite loudly, some greivances here recently about a supplier that he felt mishandled his business. If we are to be truly fair here, ... how should this be different? Was the supplier Cam bitched about at that time not a devoted family man? Not a cherished Letterhead friend? C'mon folks ... you must admit this does have an elitist taste about it.
Personally, I don't even know where I stand with AMAL. I'm not sure if I'm even current with my subscription. Am I Jeff? I don't remember an issue for a very long time, but I'm thinking that may have been my own lapse in my subscription.
I suggest that folks first account for where they stand in their subscription, and then maybe compare notes with the AMAL staff.
But please ... spare us the scoldings oh mighty ones, and realize that folks do have a legitamate complaint here.
By the way ... did anyone catch the smiley in Bruce's first post? Clearly he came on here to say "hey, what gives? ... I miss my AMAL!"
I'm seeing both sides here. Maybe we call ALL give each other some slack eh? Nettie
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
Yeah ... what Sheila said! Posted by Jay Allen (Member # 195) on :
Yer' absolutely 100% right, Nettie. Very valid points. Everybody is certainly within their rights to question where AMAL is. I only know that Jeff will make it right. Perhaps 'sniping' is a word that Cam would prefer to retract.
You are also right about publicly airing it - but this is a forum where those questions can be raised and answered - so being discussed in public is a possibility. It's when the comments turn accusatory or ill-tempered that starts the downward spiral of personal attacks.
But I believe what Cam was doing was defending a friend. As was I. As was Terry. As are you. If I ever heard you being bashed by someone, I'd defend you also. I'll always defend my friends. Even if it is to my detriment. Your analogy about Cam's problem with a supplier is also spot-on. If you take the job, you must deliver - no matter who you are, Letterhead or not.
Jeff is a prince and quite certainly isn't happy about the delays either. He made that obvious, I think. Wouldn't you want your friends to defend you - even if you thought their statements were mean-spirited or unfair towards others?
I think that is what I am guilty of - agreeing with a very pointed defense of Jeff and AMAL. But I don't have a wholesale distrust of Letterheads as some seem to have. That's why I added my other comments about "the club".
I don't recall ever hearing anyone say, "this guys in, that girls out", etc. - at any Letterhead meet. Maybe - as I said in an IM to Si - that I'm an ostrich with his head in the sand. Maybe I choose not to see the reality of the remark. If so, I apologize.
But I truly do understand both sides here. Fact: People want their AMAL. Fact: It's late and Jeff has addressed the problem. Fact: The magazine must be in demand!!
Beyond that we have denegrated into accusations of segragation, elitism and scolding. Can that be good for Letterheads? And is it fact or fiction?
I respect Jeff for not hiding and answering immediately. But that could have been the end of the discussion, couldn't it? Cam and Jeff were responding at the same time - and maybe Cam wouldn't have written a thing if he'd seen Jeff's post about taking care of the problem. He was just backing up what Terry had posted. And I wouldn't have written a response if I wasn't friends with Jeff . . . ad infinitum.
So let's all get back to work. Jeff will let us know when the next issue is on its way - and he'll do his level best to make this problem go away. Right, Jeff?
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
Boy, I had been thinking of subscribing to that magazine. Is it ok to order it? I got a couple of samples at Jill's meet in mars a few years back, & it really IS an excellent magazine!
Jeff, if you are loaded down, maybe you could get some help to get the mag out on time? Sure would hate to see it canceled before I finally get to subscribe
!
Posted by david butler (Member # 591) on :
LET'S GET HIM!
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
That Butler guy is always trying to stir up trouble.
Posted by Jane Diaz (Member # 595) on :
Can someone check the calendar. It HAS to be a full moon or something around here! Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
where's my damn chocolate bar.........
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
I vote for chinese!
Wait, I started this post. Never mind.
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Seriously, I like Jeff. I like Doc. I really dig the magazine. I just don't like being ignored.
As for the people laying on that scolding? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You'ns crack me up. No hard feelings, though. You, too, are entitled to your own opinions.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
a big thanks to Nettie for writing the post that was brewing in my mind... but would have been a chore to articulate half as well as she has.
In addition, I would like Jeff to add a little clarification in additiona to already showing up to "take his licks and own up to his responsibilities"
Jeff, what issue is 3 months behind? I just want to know if I missed one or 2 in the mail, since I signed up in December 2004 & only recieved 2 issues. As others have stated, they are worth waiting for... but there is no point "waiting" for one (or 2) that aren't coming because they already went out & mine didn't arrive for some reason... & since a lot of people are asking (& have been asking several different times in the last year)... I don't think it's out of line to ask that the issue number in the works be spelled out clearly. Besides if issues are only 3 months behind... then things are way better off then they appear from the replies here.. but on the other hand, if it is last summers issue that is "3 months behind" then I think that should be clear as well.
Posted by Rick Chavez (Member # 2146) on :
I say quite making signs and make that magazine a monthly, I dig AMAL, it's my favorite magazine....
By the way, whenever I'm near Anaheim, I'll stroll into McLogan to see if they have AMAL at the counter if they don't, I'll feel bad about not buying anything so Ill go to the back area where the books are and buy a book, they are running out of books to buy....
[ January 19, 2006, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: Rick Chavez ]
Posted by Ron Percell (Member # 399) on :
I like David's post best
Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
I do too Ron!!!
...wonder if Jeff told you guys about the secret society. We have our own secret handshake and code names for things. There are also secret writings that can only be seen under a black light, holding the AMAL upside down.
Posted by Jane Diaz (Member # 595) on :
Yeah, and when you play your David Butler CD backwards you hear, "Doc is Dead". Posted by Dan Streicher (Member # 4515) on :
Amen Sheila
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
I like Jane's post best!!!!!!
And seriously, whatever you do PLEASE don't cancel it!!!
Posted by Jed Pedersen (Member # 2344) on :
I'm with everyone here in agreeing that it is a great magazine and I would not like to see it cancelled for any reason. From what little I've seen of it is is a work of art!
I'm a one man shop in a very rural area. For me to subscribe to a trade magazine at all, much less a two year subscription it tends to tap into my very limited resources in a big way. I would be perfectly happy with any back issues still in stock to fulfill the subscription if the new ones are a little slow.
I guess I'll just get in line and " Hurry up and wait!."
Jed
Posted by Mark Yearwood (Member # 2723) on :
Yeah, and when you spin one of Butler's CDs backwards, the scrolls are all....well,...backwards.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
I can see it now Butler Gold 4 " the backwards collection"
Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
Anyone want to dedicate the time to helping Jeff get back on track, thus assisting him spend more time with his family and restore the cosmic balance of the sign universe?
Just an idea... Rapid
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
Secretly speaking, I met Jeff at Jill's Krazy meet. Along with his beautiful family, his gold leaf with mother of pearl and his great personality swept me away! Now, when this mag gets going, I'll probably splurge to see what all the who haw is about!
Posted by Felix Marcano (Member # 1833) on :
Jeff & Doc, I'm in no rush. Take your time.
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Frankly, I don't see the analogy between AMAL and a supplier. A supplier provides us with the tangible goods required to produce our work within a specific time frame, whereas AMAL is, for lack of a better term, a luxury item. Without meaning any disrespect to Jay or Nettie, no one can claim they are losing money and alienating customers because a magazine was late. That's not to say that people who have paid for a subscription don't have a complaint if they haven't got the product, but lets not start comparing apples to onions over it.
I've got every issue of AMAL since it began, and its an invaluable resource. I'm also aware that, like the letterhead movement itself, it's not a typical for-profit publication. Look at your AMALs and compare them to, say, Sign Business or Signs of the Times. Do you really want just another trade mag stuffed with ads and industry boilerplate? What's great about AMAL is its NOT about the everyday bang-em-out signmaking we do to pay the mortgage and the phone bill. It's about inspiration; about what's possible; about the quality of work we'd all love to be able to do all the time; about what sign making was about before computers and printers and fax machines and all the "conveniences" of modern life started dictating the terms of how a craftsperson produced their work. We can all stand an occasional reminder of that.
Sure, I'd love to see AMAL arrive in my mailbox like clockwork. But if the choice is to have it be mediocre and on time, or wait a bit longer to have it maintain its standard of excellence, I for one will gladly wait. Posted by mike meyer (Member # 542) on :
Blame me....
I just sent Jeff about 20 CD's of world traveling pictures. Also copies of neat sign related stuff to be scanned for everyone's enjoyment. It will be quite a job to sort thru all the goodies I sent....Jeff is a great guy, devoted father, top notch sign artist, and goes the extra mile to help the Letterhead Movement. It's been a real treat to sit and talk with Mr. Lang at various Letterhead Meets...he's one guy that has taken the reigns of the Mag and kept it up to the high standards we expect.
If the only knock on the magazine is the tardiness of it, well, that's pretty good I think.
I too would like to see it come faster and on time, but I am the same way, and when it does come, what a joy!!! It will be coming soon and what an issue it will be!
I have sent some pictures for the tribute to fellow sign artist, Duane Mickelson, who passed on last fall. Duane cannot get his AMAL's anymore, but YOU can. have a cigarette and practice some script with a brush...it'll be in yur box faster than Jay Allen can crash a Motorcycle. Faster than Dave the Letterman can drink 5 gallons of Coffee..etc etc
Posted by Dave Correll (Member # 100) on :
Faster that Mike Meyer can smoke a box of swisher sweets!
Posted by mike meyer (Member # 542) on :
cough cough! You ain't kiddin ME BOY!
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Just so all you people with nothing better to do will stop scolding me...
I couldn't care less whether Jeff Lang is a good family man, hockey player, tiddly wink champion, genuinely all-around backslapping goody two shoed guy, whatever... This was never an issue of Jeff's character. Stop making it out to be such.
In August of 2000, I lent Doc Welty of AMAL twelve pages of photos taken in Chicago (mostly Beverly Sign Co. stuff) in the late 1940's because he asked to have them for printing in the Magazine.
I also lent him a mint condition copy of H.C. Martin's ShoCard tricks (the green one)to look over and return with the photos when he was done.
It took many phone calls and over a year and a half of time to get the stuff returned and when I did finally get it back, the Martin book was missing and as was four pages of photos.
These photos and book were a gift from my mentor, Jimmy Wilke. They have great sentimental value attached to them. I have asked Doc, via e-mails and phone calls, for the return of the missing items at least a dozen times. I also asked him face to face in Atlantic City last year.
I am still waiting for the stuff. Am I so wrong to expect AMAL to return my missing items? What makes me so wrong in this situation?
Obviously, asking for the return of my property isn't working. Personal appeals have fared poorly as well. I have talked to Jeff about this as well and gotten just as far as I got with Doc. I sent Jeff a private message regarding this matter two days ago that remains unread. Surprise, surprise, surprise...
So, what recourse do I have? I am tited of asking for my stuff back. I am frustrated at their lack of concern. The whole attitude about this matter makes me very angry. I admit it has manifested into an issue with the magazine's lateness, as well.
JUST GIVE ME BACK MY DAMN STUFF!!!! Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Another thought...
Anyone who truly believes that Letterheads does not suffer from the "them and us" syndrome that permeates every segment of society is just plain fooling themselves.
There has always been a division in our ranks since Letterhead meets began. There will never be a time when everyone walks on the same plane of talent, skill, economic success, etc.
Yes, here on the broad platform of Letterhead spirit, the high, the low, the rich, the poor meet together with one common purpose. The continuation of our craft. This is the key element that binds us together. This doesn't make us equals.
I don't like everyone here nor do I expect everyone to like me as well. To do so is just plain folly and unrealistic.
There are carvers that look down their noses at other carvers because they use a different technique or, heaven forbid, use a CNC router! Gasp! There are the mahl stick vs. hand-over vs. the three finger mongolian freestyle crowd, the hand painters vs. the vinyl guys vs. the digital print crowd, the wood vs. the HDU people... The list is endless.
The perception of "I am better than them" is always going to exist no matter what.
Get over it.
Posted by Donna in BC (Member # 130) on :
I'm sure that most don't mind 'waiting' for something great. However communication does go a long way. It's how we also do biz.
Posted by Doug Bernhardt (Member # 1568) on :
AMAL might just be late from time to time...but never disappoints. Lets cut the guy(s) some slack and enjoy when things show up!?!
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
No, Doug, I don't think slack is appropriate any more. I have been waitng FIVE years for my stuff to be returned.
No calls. No answers. Enough is enough.
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Bruce! Look'it what you se'd!!!
"...Anyone who truly believes that Letterheads does not suffer from the "them and us" syndrome that permeates every segment of society is just plain fooling themselves..."
Please say it ain't so.
Well . . . . it IS just'a tad obvious.
Some of the people who seem to be able to wait and wait and wait for a friend to deliver a pre-paid subscription, will turn around and spit nails if a supplier is either out of, or a day late shipping something.
This ideosyncrasy is kind'a entertainingly ridiculous and pretty pathetic all at the same time.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
quote:Originally posted by Donna in BC: I'm sure that most don't mind 'waiting' for something great. However communication does go a long way. It's how we also do biz.
EXACTLY!! "communication does go a long way..." When it happens... & when it doesn't, & in a conspicous way... well, some say "no news is good news", but in some cases "no news" is just another twist of the knife.
Life is full of obligations & responsibilities, just like the introduction of currency contributed to our civilizations evolution into the highly productive circus we have today, the currency of a man keeping his word is of the highest importance.
Before any torrents of pompous defensiveness need occur, I am speaking in general terms now.. not specific to waiting for my mag.
quote:Originally posted by Bruce Bowers: Dude, you got a large hairy pair to say something like that to a customer... LOL!
No wonder we get along so well!
I got a kick out of Bruce's reply to a blunt comment I had made, because I met Bruce, & he is the epitome of a no BullS#!+ kind of guy.
I think the ability to tolerate BS is directly proportionate to the amount of BS one puts out.
Clear, honest, & complete (rather then deceivingly incomplete) communication is reasonable to expect when a "contract" of any kind is broken. A reasonable person will be content, to a point, with accepting various delinquencies if they are owned up to in good faith. But many of us are less forgiving without communication.
Posted by Louie Pascuzzi (Member # 1373) on :
I for one, don't mind waiting for AMAL. Maybe instead of a two year subscription, it should have been a subscription for the next 8 issues, come when they may. That would have cleared up a lot of problems. That's how I look at my subscription.
Jeff, whenever they get here, they are always worth the wait. Thanks for doing a great (maybe a little slow) job.
Posted by mike meyer (Member # 542) on :
Bruce, I have sent a MOUNTAIN of clipping, old pictures, CD's etc..to Doc way back when they started too....It'll get back to you. I know my stuff is in good hands as well. Isn't Pittsburgh on the way from New York to Minnesota? Stop in and ask Jeff for it personally! (and get your skates sharpened)
Posted by David O'Hanlon (Member # 2754) on :
First rule of Letterhead Club. Don't talk about Letterhead Club. Second rule of Letterhead Club. Don't talk about Letterhead Club.
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Don't talk about the Letterhead club!!??!!??!!??
What . . . is this like some kind of disfunctional family thing where we know full well there is some kind of twisted problem, but we choose only to pretend things are ideal? . . .
WOOPS! Until some foolishly brave family member, screaming for resolution crosses the line and then a fight breaks out because the reality is entirely too real for some, therefore reality must remain UN-talked about (being without resolution is SO much better than discussing how resolution can occur) . . . besides, we want everyone to think we're a perfect family . . . no sense in the neighbors hearin' all this . . .
Then we have those who justify any action, especially the wrong actions . . .
And still others, simply made nausious by rocking boats just leave . . .
while others, who have always had questions about the weirdness look innocently on, hoping all the truth spills out for their own clairity . . .
Got any family members who are excellent at completely ignoring an issue?? They eat/sleep and indulge in the good stuff . . . but they 'just live there...they ain't 'kin'. . . lol
The defenders are ever-present defending which ever team their on . . .
Then there's the ones who easily know exactly and how simply fixed the issue is and just watch these antics with amazement . . .
lol
This is entirely too much fun.
[ January 22, 2006, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Sheila Ferrell ]
Posted by Jill Marie Welsh (Member # 1912) on :
Maybe Jeff can round up a few Steelers fans to help get the next AMAL out. They'll need something to keep them busy with for the next 13 days. Too bad the cover will be black and school-bus yeller, featuring a sign made up of a huge D and a picket fence. Love Jill
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
quote: This is entirely too much fun
But at what cost to whom.......
quote: There has always been a division in our ranks since Letterhead meets began. There will never be a time when everyone walks on the same plane of talent, skill, economic success, etc.
Yes, here on the broad platform of Letterhead spirit, the high, the low, the rich, the poor meet together with one common purpose. The continuation of our craft. This is the key element that binds us together. This doesn't make us equals
Well spoken.
Like any other tract of life there will be personality clashes, hurt feelings, rights and wrongs. "Letterheads" has grown far to big to be otherwise. It is made up of a broad sector of often "artistic" temperaments. I think, however, it is an entity worth speaking up for. Frankly there is no resolution to human nature. Fanning the fire of conflict will not bring resolution. Yes, it may bring some entertainment, but will also cause some pain and further division.
My experience has been entirely positive. I have never met with anything but kindness and willingness to help. If someone doesn't have the time of day, so be it, there are a hundred more in the sidelines. I can only hope to be able to give back a portion of what I have been given. I find "Letterheads" every bit as wonderful and varied as the people in my own community. Because, that's what they are, people. Human.
The thing is, we can do our best to bridge the gap between any "them" and "us" or we can keep digging it deeper. Which makes more sense to you? If someone has wronged you, perhaps that says more about that one part than the whole.
BTW am I an "us" or "them"....because to "us" we are "us" and to "them" we are "them", and yet all I want to be is a "me". Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
All that really needs to happen here is that Jeff and Doc need to dig up Bruce's valuables, and return it in the condition they recieved it.
If it's been lost, they need to address that too.
Badda-bing, badda-boom. What's the big hold up?
It's all any of us would want in that situation. Right? Nettie
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Bruce has a legitimate complaint about his property. The rest of this thread is just the usual "let's stir shyt 'cause we're bored" nonsense. All this needs to be complete is one of Gavin's assclown rants, several pages of Doug Allen quoting people and one of Steve's "why can't we all be nice" speeches. Enough, already.
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
Dont know how i get put into this,because i personally have no interest anymore in this magazine,but i dont think it has anything to do with assclowns this time.....but take out a couple posting long winded crap to have something to do,and it seems far more people that posted here,and i'm aware of couple more than that since the post popped up, that havent recieved what they paid for in the time frame they were told. I really don't care what business youre in,accepting funds for delivery of end product then failing to deliver, whether its hamburgers,signs,magazines,elevators or nails is completely unacceptable. Customer service in any business is key and leaving bruce out of the equation,doesnt sound like its happening here does it? The fact that more than a few of you are willing to just apathetically accept that as a business practice is the reason why so many here struggle to make a living,earn what theyre worth,judge character beyond hero worship and serves to further the " i work for myself so i'll get to it when i want and they'll beat a path to my door" metality. Its not an a$$clown thing,but it has become an a$$-kissing thing,because a couple of people here seem to feel its unacceptable for people to complain when someone has some sort of percieved status within the heirarchy of the letterhead community,whether that status is earned,self granted or not. A valuable resource isnt worth squat if it never shows up...kinda like having an imaginary friend over for coffee and telling everyone what a swell guy your coffee pal 'joe' is when all they see when they get there is an empty chair. Now all that will come of this is a couple of you that think the sun rises and sets in he collective rear ends of those who publish AMAL(yet whose vital importance to the sign industry does not lead them to participate here) will email behind the scenes,pat each other on the rear,complain about what people said,tell them they are wrong and nothing will change. Of course there was alot of redundant crap on this post,but there are other post here daily,some by people everyone respects that are worse.
[ January 23, 2006, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Gavin Chachere ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
At it's root, I don't think this thread is fanning the fire of conflict... I think it is fanning the fire of best intentions.
Some things fall off the grid of some "to do" list somewhere & then much more inertia seems to be required for them "to do" it.
The energy of this post was meant to provide that inertia... but efforts to derail that inertia creates a swirling of opposing energies spiriling out of control, while advancing NO cause.
Now that Cam says Bruce has a legitimate complaint about his property... it's "enough already"?? Bruce ALREADY had a legitimate complaint before Cam instigated the whole derailment.
Cam, I think it was "enough already" before you piped in at all. how do you like them quotes?
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Here is a question from someone who has been in the biz for 15 years, attends every USSC sign show, subscribes to all the trade publications and has even been to a LH meet (thanks Jill!).
What the heck is AMAL?
My google search turned up a Danish porn site, F***ing Amal & the American Marmalute Assitance League.
If there really is another sign magazine out there, it's not widely known. I would like to check it out.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
[ January 23, 2006, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Writing on this site is a lot like chumming for tuna. All the usual suspects rise to the bait.
Thanks, Doug and Gavin, for reminding me why this board is such a colassal waste of bandwidth.
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
double post
[ January 23, 2006, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Gavin Chachere ]
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
You're quite welcome. My hat goes off to you however,for reminding the rest of us mere mortals just how impressed you are with yourself and how lucky we are to have your swell-headed presence in our lives for one mere minute of a passing day. Time and time again you drop in here and remind everyone what a large opinion you have of yourself and your abilities in comparison to to the rest of the sign business,and what a waste of time it is for you to be here,yet out of some bizarre need to feed your large ego you continue to come back and waste valuable segments of your life that cannot be replaced.....youre a god that walks the earth man why expose yourself to kryptonite like that??? The bottom line here is that you dont believe this thread is warranted because you say its not and youre willing to wait whatever time frame to get what you paid for,and good for you. Good thing you didnt need this in a hurry because you didnt plan well enuff ahead or they would be mouth breathing idiots....but thats something different lol. Don't involve me in a thread i dont involve myself in if you dont want me to reply. Have a nice day.
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Quote from '99 head meet:
"As it turned out the first day (starting at noon) was dedicated to getting acquainted and retrieving our own Cam Bortz (the little Lebanese meat Inspector) from a meat packing venue known only to him. (and this was before the beer.)"
This information provided by the Homeland Security Dept.
[ January 23, 2006, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Mikes Mischeif ]
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Quote:
" . . .Thanks . . . for reminding me why this board is such a colassal waste of bandwidth . . ."
Oh yeh . . . I forgot . . . those family members who are extremists; when a simple problem arises, they like to feel that the whole family unit is entirely no good.
At who's expense is this too much fun? I don't think this is at the expense of anyone. We certainly, obviously can not control those individuals who continously veer WAY off the point. But there are different ways to approach them . . . but true enough, completely ignoring is by far the best way.
I also think it's good to expose their actions for exactly what they are: assinine.
I somehow think an exposition will jolt and steer the main point back on track . . . but, I'm obviously wrong . . . . I often forget, whenever people have personal vendettas, and emotion, in this case, testosterone is involved, they can not be trusted to remain logical.
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
... and estrogen induced responses are logical?
Sorry, Shiela, I just couldn't resist but you do know I still like ya doncha? Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
CAREFUL Doc . . .
I AM still 'pro' your original point . . .
An estrogen flare-up COULD change all that . . .
lolololol
[ January 23, 2006, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Sheila Ferrell ]
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Are back issues of AMAL available? If so, where and for how much?
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
RUSS.
Keep UP. Have you been READING this thread at ALL????!!!
See Doc??
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
I know all about the future issues, but the back issues should already be done! LOL
Sheila, did you just take a swing at me with an estrogen hammer?
[ January 23, 2006, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Russ McMullin ]
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Hey!!
I know!!!
We can just request the magazine and pay for each one AFTER we receieve it!!!
Posted by John Deaton (Member # 925) on :
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Don't cross the streams!!!
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
hahahaa... John, I love it! ... but one of them needs to be wearing a beret. Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
LOLOLOL John . . .
hey, ya forgot the little flies . . . Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
I hate to say this, but I think Gavin is right.
Reminds me of high school. Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
OK. Enuff' already. It's hard enought to watch you insult yourselves, but now Cam is insulting me and Letterville. Ouch!
Letterville supports everything Letterhead. That includes AMAL and yes, even Cam. The best way to ensure AMAL and Letterheads continues to succeed is to get involved. This includes subscribing to AMAL and contributing content for publication.
To order a subscription, go to A Magazine About Letterheads We'll also add a link to our Merchant's Page asap. Jeff already knows he has permission to use any photos or content from Letterville, but most of our stuff is at 72 dpi. Magazines prefer 300 dpi.
If you are sending in content by mail, the address is A Magazine About Letterheads PO Box 404 Sewickley, PA 15143-0404
Jeff's phone number is 412-732-9999. Call him up and see what you can do to help. If you are into website design, an AMAL Website would sure be handy.
Until A Magazine About Cam and/or a website called Camville comes along, we'll just continue to waste bandwidth.
[ January 23, 2006, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
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