http://www.motherearthnews.com/ for all of those who dont know what it is....and for those of us who have lived this way and abandoned it for many years.....guess what folks, time to get back to livin like you know how to survive. while your waitin for you 1st issue go here and start with #1 http://www.foxfire.org/prodFFbooks.html this aint hard for me to understand, since iam an old country boy from near them thar hills of WEST BY GOD VIRGIN-I-A!!!!! all them thing my daddy taught me bout pickin mushrooms, how to drop a squirrel at 20 paces with a .22 and what all thats in the wood you can eat....might just come in handy ....heheheheheh
[ October 02, 2005, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
...ME is an awesome mag. I gave subs to friends and family last Xmas. I gave one (in an effort to "educate") to my con brother and his fundamentalist wife. They have "blinders" on however and I doubt they've even opened it. (But their kids DO read it. haha.) It's a shame that so many supposidly informed people just don't want to know what right wing "conservatism" is doing to the country (and the world).
...Other great lib mags are Z and The Nation.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
OP and William,
Does this mean Steve and Barb have approved the discussion about political magazines here?
Screw'm, right?
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
OP....You eat squirrel? How do you get those tiny little legs apart?
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Taylor: OP and William,
Does this mean Steve and Barb have approved the discussion about political magazines here?
Screw'm, right?
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
It's a lifestyle mag... if you (or anyone) make it a political discussion... don't pin that on OP
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Which lifestyle might that be?
Posted by coop (Member # 504) on :
quote:It's a shame that so many supposidly informed people just don't want to know what right wing "conservatism" is doing to the country (and the world).
... seems pretty friggin' political to me Posted by mike meyer (Member # 542) on :
Guns and Religon..don't forget them!
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
quote:Subscribe to Mother Earth News
Join the community of readers at Mother Earth News, the world’s leading magazine about conscientious, self-sufficient living, including green home building, renewable energy, pure food and organic gardening
ummm... the "living wisely" lifestyle?
(I didn't really think the concept of awareness raising would upset or challenge anyone's political affiliations. )
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug Allan: ...(or anyone) make it a political discussion... don't pin that on OP
Coop.. I don't disagree with your point... but again, I would still defend OP, & ME as not being out of line.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
quote:They have "blinders" on however and I doubt they've even opened it. (But their kids DO read it. haha.)
Boy, if some relative was trying to usurp my parenting in such a devious way, I'd have to cross them off my Thanksgiving dinner invitation list. Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
quote:Originally posted by W. R. Pickett: I gave one (in an effort to "educate") to my con brother and his fundamentalist wife. They have "blinders" on however and I doubt they've even opened it. (But their kids DO read it. haha.) It's a shame that so many supposidly informed people just don't want to know what right wing "conservatism" is doing to the country (and the world).
...Other great lib mags are Z and The Nation.
Yeah, Doug. Very subtle, isn't it? Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Doug,
Do you really think this ME article is apolitical and only about lifestyle?
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
christ... (gotta get religion in there too) I friggin (& keep the status quo on language too) didn't like what WR said either!! WTF does that have to do with anything I posted??? WR's comments were clearly outside of house rules... but I didn't blast him on it because Glenn already did (not because of any of my own beliefs)
Glenn called out OP for starting a political discussion about a political magazine... THAT'S FALSE! ...so I simply pointed that out. That is not a defense of WR or any friggin (might as well raise the stakes & get this locked down like Glenn wanted... can't be raisin' any awareness nmow, can we)desire for a political discussion.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
The Letterville rules are not vague, nor are they complicated. Are we going to start another argument over whether Steve and Barb have a right to set their own rules on their own website....again? We all know where that leads and where it ends.
That damned dead horse, that's where.
It's too late to skip the beginning, we know the ending. So, why don't we pass on the middle part this time?
[ October 02, 2005, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Don Coplen ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
it's just too bad OP can't discuss learning, or re-learning how to move away from further fossil fuel dependancy instead of into further dependancy. I think that is a legitimate, non-political & completely relevant OT topic of the day.
no, there is no need to argue Steve's rules, or his right to have them. WR knew where he was going... & here we are. It ain't OP's fault! I rest my case.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Doug,
I have no problem with dicussing how to more away from oil. I think we did that already and we did a pretty good job of it.
Back to ME, all I can say is that if you think its just a lifestyle magazine, you may want to investigate its affiliation with Friends of the Earth and who that group is.
.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
...I appologize for posting anything so provocative or political to anyone. I was venting and went overboard on the con/ lib thing. That's what I get for watching MEET THE PRESS.
...and, I appaud DA.
Posted by Elaine Beauchemin (Member # 136) on :
Hurray! .... so its OK to trash this planet till nothings left...right ..... let's close our eyes and sleep on it .... zzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Elaine, not at all. This topic could easily have been covered without the political bullshyt. But, not to be. Some phrases in the second post of this thread were intentionally politically inflamatory and said to start a ruckus.
I applaud Steve and Barb for taking a stand to keep the liberal/conservative crap off of this board. The internet is a goldmine of sites that encourage political debates. Nobody is being deprived by the rules here. I seriously doubt anybody is going to political sites to talk about signs.
For what it's worth, I accept WR's apology.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Elaine,
I agree with Don on this.
How about a discussion on the Sign Industry and it effects on the environment - without political demagoguery.
It would be interesting to know how other sign shops handle their waste.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Here's some mother earth news:
Don't buy ANY signmaking materials...because chances are great that they are either derivitives of oil, wood, metals, or are composed of chemicals known to cause cancer in the state of California.
Don't buy any groceries either, because guess what that milk jug is made out of? And that potato chip bag you're sticking your hands into?
And don't buy any tires for your car either, or slip into a pair of Nike shoes....
Have fun being tree huggers...as for me? I'm an oil loving parasite.
Posted by coop (Member # 504) on :
Okay apology accepted. Now on to the discussion at hand. I have no problem with OP, Elaine, Doug, WR or anyone else living an "earth friendly" lifestyle. In fact, if you are truly interested in this style of living find an Amish community and join in. They have been very successful for a couple hundred years not living on the "grid".
If you are talking the talk, why not walk the walk?
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
Because walking the walk would actually require personal sacrifice and force them to admit that they actually live and embrace the lifestyle that they claim to so vehemently hate until its socially unacceptable to do so.
Posted by Elaine Beauchemin (Member # 136) on :
Glenn, that could be a good topic.
Not so long ago the guy who thaught me a big chunk of the trade died from lung disease. Mind you that he did had some pretty nasty bad habits like shooting paint without a mask...or sandblasting stuff without protection...cause it was just that so often that he was doing it. well...those few times added up to a point that he got hill from not taking care of himself.
My actions add up to yours an solong ... it has a real impact on the environment...
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
hmm... whats the topic at hand now? um, well, I guess I don't have a problem with coop uprooting his entire existance to become a living exaggeration of any small misgiuded outsider perception of any topic he once commented on either. In fact if I wanted to add a few other names from this thread, then I too, could use the word "they" allowing me to easily segue from discussions of a few letterville friends into a full blown us & them cacaphony of unfounded accusations.
...now who was talking what talk again? oh yeah OP's droppin a squirrel at 20 paces cool
...oh yeah, on to vehement claims... I vehemently claim to hate over simplification & the shallow desire to pigeonhole someone elses "walk" or "talk" just for the convenience of vilifying them by association with one's own percieved socially acceptable hierarchy of moral superority
[ October 02, 2005, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
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Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
oops... nothing further your honor
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Doug, Elaine is kind enough to use English here.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Elaine,
I know what you mean.
I did the same thing when I was younger and we were spraying paint outside. Nothing more fun for an 18 year old than spraying paint in the wind and sun standing in a fog of paint holding his breath.
We used to use a lot of lacquer thinner in our shop. We bought it in 55 gallon drums. These days, we're using the more environmentally friendly soybean-based cleaners. They're a lot more expensive, but a little bit goes along way.
We've also switched to UV inks for screen printing signs and decals. The soy cleaners break it down into a biodegradable which allows us to wash it down the sink without any adverse effects. And when the containers are emptied, we can sit them out in the sun which converts the leftover ink into a solid. The nice thing about UV inks is that there is nothing to evaporate. 100% of the ink is converted into a solid which means that there is nothing to get into the lungs.
[ October 02, 2005, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
boy you conservatives really are pushin the limits on what publication people should not read. wasnt that one of theings hitler did in the early 30's in gemany? get rid of all the books that might speak against the currunt political oppression. I POSTED THE LINK TO MOTHER EARTH NEWS, because it has a lot of good infomation to make living in a world that is ruled by greed and coorperations takin advantage of all the disaster that has fallen on this counrty(where is this political?)all i was making a point of is there are ways to save what money we have and spend it wisely on something that will make life a little easier in these hourendous times we live in. now you jumperd all over ME....stop the politcal crap, and SHOULD I MAKE A SEPERATE POST FOR FOXFIRE BOOKS..or are they on your DO NOT READ LIST?
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:I POSTED THE LINK TO MOTHER EARTH NEWS, because it has a lot of good infomation to make living in a world that is ruled by greed and coorperations takin advantage of all the disaster that has fallen on this counrty(where is this political?)
Thanks OP. I knew I could count on you.
Anyone found that dead horse yet?
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
This discussion is valuable if we all learn something that will help us improve our lifestyle and/or bottom lines. I've only had time to look at the front page so I don't know what secrets lie within.
To be honest, I'd rather see those of you infatuated with religious and political junk taking these discussions to other forums that deal with this stuff. Don't forget to include a link back to Letterville while you are there.
We're having a discussion on layout and design in another post. The next topic will be informal vs formal layout. This stuff will make all your signs look better and increase their value. You'll make more money, we'll avoid bumping heads, and our lives will be much less stressfull.
To all those commenting on this post. I want you all to dig into your Mike Stevens "Mastering Layout" books and help your fellow Letterheads improve their design skills. There are all sorts of places that deal with other topics. We come here as Letterheads first.
Thanks in advance for respecting the rules of Letterville.
One last comment. If you have extra money, I would suggest investing in a subscription to SignCraft Magazine and/or a trip to a live meet. Beats shooting and eating squirrel anyday.
[ October 02, 2005, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
How did this:
quote:Originally posted by old paint: boy you conservatives really are pushin the limits on what publication people should not read. wasnt that one of theings hitler did in the early 30's in gemany? get rid of all the books that might speak against the currunt political oppression.
end with this?:
quote:Originally posted by old paint: stop the politcal crap
Speaking of conservation and the like can be done without political sniping.
Comparing any group with Hitler is pretty much a conversation stopper in anybody's book.
Posted by Michael Boone (Member # 308) on :
All squirrels are Democrats......
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Hey! I have the 1st 8 Foxfire books! AND...I am far from a rabid Liberal!
Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
I think its just an anomaly in the matrix. One of these posts has to pop up every couple of weeks or the world explodes.
And since when did squirrels become vegetables? What kind of vegetarian are you , OP. First I find out you eat seafood, now you're eating tree rats. What's next, I run into you at Denny's eating a bacon cheeseburger?
(by the way, the Foxfire books are where the plans for the ill-fated moonshine still came from)
[ October 02, 2005, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Patrick Whatley ]
Posted by Karen Wunch (Member # 3577) on :
Love is the last place I want to be:
Love of earth, or politics, or just veggies, or squirrels. Love of 'tags or labels'...
It's entirely up to the individual.
All I want...is More.
More Understanding, more Hope, more Care, more YOU and more ME. I want more SIGN stuff, less ME stuff.
Enuff.
Posted by James Donahue (Member # 3624) on :
Did somebody say moonshine????
Wel-l-l-l-l, speaking of fosil fuels, etc, I just got a big manila envelope from the BATF with my fuel alchohol permit application. If I'm accepted, that will allow me to have a -get this- legal still.
I havn't seen the rules yet, but I heard somewhere that you have to add acetone or something similar to make it into denatured alchohol. No big, I didn't plan on consuming the stuff anyway. I talked to a guy that's had a legal still for years, and he said that the stuff that drips out the end of the pipe contains keytones and acetone and other stuff. My guess is that's why drinking alchohol is aged in charred oak barrels, the charcoal absorbs those impurities.
I'm actually getting the cart ahead of the horse here, as I rent the house I live in, and this being the Bible belt and all, the landlord very well may have a big thing against the whole idea. And please, no bad comments about them, after all, they already put up with my other shenanigans(sp?) as it is.
I've got a BUNCH of irons in the fire as it is, so this project could be slow in coming along, but I'll keep you posted.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
thank you si........
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
James - the best & simplest stills I have seen were made from discarded pressure cookers - made for cooking food. Easy to build & maintain for small, useable quantities. I had always been under the impression since prohibition it has been legal to distill spirits in your own home for personal use - something like up to 2 gallons per year - certain number of gallons of wine, certain number of quantities of beer, BUT - I may be wrong! Old Paint - Mother Earth News? I always suspected you were an 'ol crawdad fisherman!
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
Last year I met a woman who cannot tolerate exposure to chemicals. When I first met her, she asked what i did for a living, & did I work with plastics & paint. I told her yes, I use vinyl & I was airbrushing the day before. She said she could smell it on me!
She cannot be in a store for over 10 minutes, or she will become violently ill. She is VERY careful over the things she eats. She is buying a house that a doctor had built for his wife, because she had the same problem.
Some people with this have moved to the desert to get away from the chemicals in the towns. There is a term for it, Extreme Chemical Sensistivity, or something.
She also said that they put formadehyde in so many things, like perfumes & hairsprays, & I think she said even drywall, that she cannot use them, or be around them, they make her deathly sick.
Anybody else hear of this disorder?
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
the reason i posted this to begin with was the diesel fuel post. homemade stills can make fuels you can burn in most internal combustion engines. you also can use old macdonalds/burger king cooking oil to run a diesel. iam getting a wood stove for this winter with natural gas going to go up 40-80%, and this is our main souce of heat. a wood stove in north fl is plenty of heat for the winters we have and after ivan making all the fire wood(we have 2-4 acre fields piled 20- foot high of debris(trees)and they are going to burn it to get rid of it)wood here is very cheap and people will GIVE you theirs if you haul it off. theres a business oportunity for someone willing to come get the wood and take it north to sell for heat. i studied solar heating while in college and if you design a house/shop around the suns path for your area you can optimize your winter heating cost and summer cooling just by the buildings position in relation to the suns path in each season. all i was doing is to help people get less DEPENDANT on the system of make money and buy everything....which is what we do most of the time. i grew up in western pa, houses their had SISTERNS, concrete tanks that collected rain water, ROOT CELLARS, place you can store potatoes, apples, etc without refridgeration. and stuff will keep a long time in these places. as i mentioned WOOD STOVE or some alternitive heating source. remember the old HAND PUMP WATER WELLS? and if you got the space how bout an emergency outhouse? iam not suggesting abondoning all the convinences of modern living, but when these things become so expensive you cant afford them....is what iam saying....you still need to live. i know most dont have the 2 acres i have, and iam lucky to have that much, and some here have way more space to do these things on.
[ October 03, 2005, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
OP, I am glad you just added all that. I was just having lunch with a friend of mine last week, telling her that I would love to live that way.
I know, there are so many opinions on the subject, but I think we are so spoiled it is sickening.
My x-in-laws have a cistern under their house, it is an old house. Root cellars are a good idea, too. My parents just built one. They live in the mountains. And a hand pump water well? I have been pondering THAT thought for a long time!
If something happened in this country REALLY bad, & we had no power, what would we do? Seriously!
I just visited my 90 year old Grama yesterday, & she was telling me about the Depression. When they got electric in their house for the first time, her brother ran out into the street that night to see the house lit up! They had 5 kids living in a 4 room house & they had to take their baths in the kitchen in a washtub. She told me about heating up the iron to iron clothes. And the local bums that would come & beg for food. Her mother would give him a sandwich.
She keeps saying, "What if we have another depression?" I told her the kids nowadays could USE a depression.
Think about the "Gotta have it now" world we live in, with credit cards & everything.
I left Grama's & drove up the street toward home thinking a lot yesterday.
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
The Ballad of Old PAINT (from West Virginny)
Come and listen to a story Bout a man named Joe Lived in the hills And his fam'ly was po One day he grabbed his old .22.... And headed to the woods For to get some squirrel stew
Meat...that is Protein.... Brain food
Well the first thing you know Joe spied a field of toadstools He picked the whole patch And loaded up his mules When he made it to the shack Found a tub that didn't leak.... Built a big fire Drew some water from the creek
Pure mountain water... rubbed some sticks together...
Well, the kinfolks said, "Joe What'cha gonna do?" Joe said, "gonna make some MUSHROOM STEW" His papa done his best Showed Joe the shrooms to find... But goofy ole Joe had PICKED THE WRONG KIND
psilocybin that is... hallucinations... mushroom tea
Well the next thing ya know Joe, drinks the whole pot He's acting kinda loopy And drooling lots of snot Then he shucks his overalls And things are gettin' lively..... Old Joe's break dancing In a patch of poison ivy....
Ouch...
Well, then ole Joe Grows his hair out like a girl Swore never again to hunt Cute little squirrels Says from now on He's a-gonna eat veggies.... Walks around all day in his shorts With a wedgie
No more overalls... Freezin' in the winter....
Well, by this time Ole Joe has had his fill So he bids farewell To his home in the hills Joe says, "maw, I'm a-gonna paint signs" And he heads down South To the land of sunshine
Florida that is.... Heaven help us all
So his business grows And Joe decides to build a shop With a big roll-door And a shiney tin top So he builds it long And he builds it mighty tall.... But everybody knows That it has a crooked wall
"I could'a swore That bubble was in the middle...." "The plumb bob was makin' me dizzy...." "Y'all come to a Letterhead meet Ya hear?"
[ October 03, 2005, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Webb ]
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
Hahahahaha...Wayne, you have WAY too much time on your hands! LOL
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Something to go with the song.
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
TOFU? TOFU?...Someone say Joe's gonna be a shootin' wild tofu???
Well I'll tell ya..we have whole fields of wild tofu up here and we don't want no gun totin', long haired, over the hill hippie shootin' at OUR wild tofu!!!!
Here's a picture of a millions of wild tofu..ya can see em forever up here!
This is a close-up of the cute little critters.
Now tell me WHO'D want to kill these harmless little things??
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
There's only one reason why OP hunts squirrels.....
Posted by jake snow (Member # 5889) on :
donahue, you should agree with Si on this one. Bet nobody now about your mountain top. :-) As for the mag, IT"S A FIGGIN MAG! Take what you want from it, or don't. why does everything have to turn into a political debate.
Posted by FranCisco Vargas (Member # 145) on :
Hey OP, I agree with you about the times and how do we deal with them. Lot of people take to much for granted. but look at the way things are happening. it will always be something. I remember hearing about how some people traveled cross country, wish I would have known about this in '98 http://www.greasecar.com/profiles_list.cfm
Now here is a way to go cross country on a low budget, actually even run around town around the state.
Posted by James Donahue (Member # 3624) on :
Hey Jake, good to see you around here. I've seen your work over at "Karen's place". Good job.
Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
And squirrels who know, prefer Budweiser.
bill preston
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
well i got a song wrote about me that puts me right up ther with bonnie & clyde and pretty boy floyd(was one of my wifes family). and the man who wrote the song..need to look out his winder.....They gona make a movie bout that place.. CHIPPLY FLORIDA, THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT!!!! HEHEHEHE we got re-letives livin down on the CHIPPOLI RIVER, near scotts ferry. now any of you city folk wana see what country livin is like...come on down here ya all...we stayed at a campground right on the river 4th of july on year, and we was the ONLY 10 PEOPLE IN THE CAMPGROUND!!!!! all weekend long!!!!
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Hey Joe I hear ya - I've been down there where you are - to dive in the springs - Ponce de Leon - Kings Spring - Rainbow River - Crystal River - Blue Grotto - Devils Den - Vortex Spring - Cypress Springs - Wakulla is special -that's where they filmed "Creature From Black Lagoon" & a bunch of Tarzen movies - deepest headspring in the world- you can throw a penny in the pool & watch it sink 193 feet & see it on the bottom . My mom used to tell me tales of growin up living next to Machine Gun Kelly in downtown Memphis - she was a teenager then - her dad was a railroad man & they moved around a bit - her mom mostly lived there her whole life - they didn't know how bad he was at the time - said they just seemed like normal folks. Pretty Boy was probably a frequent visitor as well . . I had asked mom about details in years past & she told me she never even saw him carry a gun - -she did say a lot of people went in & out of their house - wish she was still here to tell more . . .
[ October 04, 2005, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: Carl Wood ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
great writing Wayne
...we got "greasecars" here too, I lettered 3 or 4 so far:
I keep tellin my client (he rents them out)we should do a wrap with a field of Dave's wild tofu all across the bottom half
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
TAlk about learning to do without.. And living in a self sufficient lifestyle. I think I have every one beat. ME lifestyle has nothing over me.
I've leaned to do without a hot shower. And, coka colas, and fresh vegatables from around the world. And, eating out at a restuarant after 8 PM.
I've learned to do without a cell phone that works regularly, and regular land line phone service. Doing without call forwarding is fun and so is doing without sleep.
CAll waiting is nothing but a frivolous addon desinged to empty your pocket. I already get a free busy signal why pay for a notice to tell me to be rude to a first caller.
Its fun doing without a bank that is open at convenient times and cash in the pocket anytime I wish. This helps me save money now. No more impluse buying.. And a real big one is living without air conditioning and electricity. A real good one is living without clothes dried in a dryer that beats clothes into a softness not found in nature.
And, this one is something we could all learn to do is eating cold food. I bet we could save millions be not eating hot food any more.
I've learned that TV is real pain in the butt and an electric hog not needed. Doing without 10 lighbulbs in the bathroom is somethign I never thought possible but it works good. One lightbulb makes enuf light to brush your teeth, comb hair and shave.
The dishwasher is a waste of resources and so is the garbage disposer. The refrigerator. Now that is a electric hog too. A small one is plenty big enuf to keep a few drinks cold.
This leads up to a lower food bill. Now no left overs are ever eaten again. You simply do not prepare more than you can eat. Hence, no need to store leftovers.
I'm doing without a real job for the first time in years. Don't need money any more because I don't use electric power, phones, cable TV or huge refrigerators.
All I need is land where TOFU grows wild and a .22 at 20 paces to get one each day..
All of this doing without gave me LOTS of time to re-read stevens books, and dan antonelli's books and expand my horizon's so I can become rich when the econimy takes off here again.
HEHEH I could be a writer for ME News. I am an expert..
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
Thanks for sharing all that, Curtis. Very eye-opening AND thought -provoking, I say.
My prayers are with you, really they are.
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
This place is much better than it used to be, Joe.
My Mom, Dad, and us four kids lived in a one-room shack beside a swamp with thick woods all around. The closest neighbor was miles away and, of course, there was no phone either. Sometimes, in the rainy season, the headlights of the truck would go under water on the way into the cabin. Cottonmouth moccasins were everywhere. We had a pitcher pump for water, an outhouse with no roof, took our baths in a #3 wash tub, outside, in the winter. Mama heated water in pots on top of a pot-bellied stove for our bath. I can still feel the cold, wet, misery. She cooked everything on the wood stove too, including crawfish, stumpknockers(small sunfish), squirrels(just like old paint) and once, we ate a softshell turtle. Put it this way, you won't see me running down a sofshell turtle unless I get real hungry. Dad grew corn, peas, taters, okra, squash, beans etc. So we didn't go hungry. Oh yeah, we had cows in the woods and sometimes Dad would butcher one, right in front of the cabin. He just shot the steer in the head, pulled him up between two trees and started skinning and cutting. The wood stove sat in the center of the single room for heat but there was no insulation. No air conditioner and NO FANS in the summer. Summer routinely gets in the high nineties here, some days in the hundreds. On top of that, the humidity is extremely high on the coastal plain, next to a swamp. We had no electricity...none. Light came from the mica schist portholes in the front of the stove and a kerosene lamp. For a while, we did have a gas-powered refrigerator. The cabin was built from salvaged lumber from an ancient house which itself was built before the civil war. The lumber and siding was solid yellow-heart litered pine but the siding wasn't very tightly fitted. I would lie in my bed at sunrise, and watch a little bird go in and out throuGh a hole in the corner of the roof, feeding her babies nested above our homemeade dining table. Snakes and rats came and went as they pleased as well. Mosquitos would just about tote you off at night, the redbugs were a constant misery and yellow flies light and take off faster than a house fly, bite instantly, and can leave a welt the size of a silver dollar. Hearing the owls hoot at night was as common as traffic noises in your city. If it sounds nostalgic...like a wonderful camping trip, think again. How would you like to live like that for a year? The old cabin is still back there in the woods about 300 yards behind this shop. But I don't have the least desire to spend one more night there.
Hope you get back to normal soon, Curtis.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i grew up in most of those conditions curt...hehehehehehe. our house in pa,we moved to it in 1950 and i was 5 at the time. was with single light bulbs hangin from the center of the ceiling with a pull string(no wall switches)and i think the service comin to the house was like 50-60 amp. we had a coal/wood stove in the kitchen and only COLD water to the sink, at least we didnt have to carry it like some of our neighbors did. when the water pump would kick on the lights would dim......and i went to school with people who still didnt have electricity to their farm. we hada 4 ft round tub on the back porch and sat nite was bath nite, drag in the tub to the kitchen, fire up the wood stove and heat water. then we took turns in the same bath water....NO JOKE FOLKS!!! didnt need a septic tank cause we had a 4 holer outhouse!!!! we was better off then most!!!!! the only drain we had from the house was the kitchen sink and it ran into the garden, we got some of the biggest sukiniees which we planted right next to the drain water. closest thing we had to a shower was a rain gutter with a diverter spout. most of the time it ran rain water into our cistern. i would go out when it was rainin in the summer time and flip the lever and take a shower!!!!!!! didnt see indoor plumbing till i was in 5th grade!!!!! heat for the house was a 27" big old coal furnace in the basement with only gravity heat!! only warm place was right on the register!!!!! was my job to take out the ashes from the cellar!!! the cistern we had was hugh. it also had a smaller one inside the cellar the rian water filtered into this one and was as clear as could be. mom used to wash cloths in the cellar using the cistern water and she hada kerosene stove she heated water on for washing cloths. her dryer was 3-4 clothlines. we never cut the grass, or manicured the landscaping, we had a burn pile for garbage and most of the cans we opened got used for something else after they was empty. as for food we was way better then most cause we WAS THE LOCAL CROCERY STORE!!! i can go on about how i grew up in what we consider today "harsh conditions" but you get the idea. we have become so dependant on everything being done for us that we forget ..we can be less dependant if we wish to be. i also remember the old electric commercials on tv(we got the 1st one in the town we lived in 1953)and they would say how electricity and the phone would become so cheap you wouldnt even notice paying for them..YE RIGHT!!!! now they got you wired and dependant they charge more and more....cause you got no choice....
Posted by jake snow (Member # 5889) on :
Thanks James, By the way the train tured out nice. Ya beat me on that one, get ya next time. HA
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
one of the best parts of the foxfire books are the medical potions and use of plants you in your backyard. as a kid in pa in the fall we(me and couple other boys) would dig roots and dry and sell em. i was 10 years old and new what GINSING was, i could identify the plant, but never knew what it was used for and that it brought good money then. we dug MAYAPPLE ROOTS & BLOODROOT and sold them by the burlap sackfull. ive made DANDELION WINE, and DANDYLION SALAD really good when its young. my dad used to take me out when he dug HORSERADISH ROOT would bring it home, scrub it with a brush, cut it up and with a an old hand grinder, grind it up with beets and vinegar and put it in the fridge....man was that stuff good, makes wasabi look like a fake. waynes song said something about mushrooms well yes my dad taught me which one you can eat and which will kill ya. we picked the ones you buy in the store in the spring, and another type called a "stump mashroom" these where really good. in the fall we picked what books call MARGOYLS, italians called em SPUNGOLLI. they look like a upside down ice cream cone and really are tasty. another fall shroom was SHEEPSHEAD most books call em "hen of the woods" and these are a meaty shroom, and large. dad and i picked one that took up the trunk and back seat of a 56 mercury!!!! we got it home and weighed it all together it was 67 POUND!!!!!!! mom canned for 3 days!!! and we ate that one for a year...... dad also used to pick black raspberrys in the summer, man o man you aint never tasted pie that good !!!!!! sorta miss them old days.......
Posted by Barry Branscum (Member # 445) on :
Not old enough to have experienced that kinda stuff Joe...but my folks did!
My dad's folks were cotton pickers and mom's skidded logs in the woods.
Dad and mom used to gather Ginseng for money too, long before I came along.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
I remember walking ten miles each way, uphill, in three feet of snow, to school... Used to chop frozen ice from around ducks in cow pond for fresh meat... Anybody know reason for white corncobs???(pre-Sears) As fast as you'd shovel snow off of walk, it would fill up again behind you, w/fresh snow... Put springs on feet once to jump out of hayloft, had to shoot me to get me stopped... Ever bark a squirrel? My horse saddled himself...
Aw, those were the days............
Wayne, that sounds like place I took military survival training...though as kid, we had plenty of diamondbacks, same temperment as mocs...
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
OP, what did you use the may apple roots for?
We had sheepshead growing every year around our oak tree, but we had to cut it down last year before it fell on our house!
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Be extremely careful eating ANY wild mushroom - unless you are an expert they can literally kill ya in a heartbeat ! There are over 2,000 varieties in my neck 'o the woods alone - most are poisenous. . .even if you're sure they have almost zero nutritional value . .even in survival situations - -not worth the risk to even fool with - -
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i didnt find out untill many years later what they do with mayapple root...untill i had some warts removed!!! they make a liquid from the root called PEDOFFILIN spellin might not be correct but it sounds like i spelled it. after they freeze a wart they apply a dark brown liquid and thats it. as for shrooms your right unless you know what your pickin DONT!!! as for food value your dead wrong, not much protien but enough other nutriens to keep you from starving to death. and a lot of good things in shrooms, being a vegitarian i probably eat way more then most do. PORTABELLO mushrooms ....are nothing more then the white button "field shrooms" left alone till it fully develops. in the wild most dont get that big because of bugs eating then shrooms befor it matures.
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
I'm a wacky witch docta Magic potion concocta And I lurk in the deep dark woods Vegetarian Guru Eatin' mountains of Tofu Got herbs that will make you feel good
I got buds and seeds All kinds of wacky weeds Sometimes they get me awful confused And when I get richer Gonna get my pitcher On the cover of Mother Earth News
Mother Earth News.... Gonna see my picha on the cuvah News.... Gonna buy five copies for G. Dubya News.... Gonna see my smilin' face On the cover of the Mother Earth News
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
wayne you been livin in the woods TOO LONG....
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Wayne you aint right - I been singing that in my head to the music of "On The Cover Of The Rolling Stone" - I got a temp. brain fart who did that song? No, not the Mamas & the Papas - who? Was it The Who? Old Paint - Got my info on almost zero nutritional value of 'shrooms from U.S. Army Survival Manual . . .also check the calorie content of mushrooms - Carl
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
Dr Hook
Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
I've read ME a few times over the years. There was always at leat one article that I found interesting or creative. I guess it's all in how you percieve the value of things. Personally, I always thougjht it was neat to see other methods of constructing buildings and the different ways to use organic materials to replace modern fabricated materials.
Maybe someone should do an article in ME about how to make a sign WITHOUT a computer. Rapid
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
http://www.mushroomcouncil.org/ this is a good place to gain some info. and i been eating shrooms since i was a kid, and since i became a vegitaian i even eat more now. lot of good things in shrooms....dont discount them.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i got all his albums......heheheheheh figuered as much huh?
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
OP, did you ever eat Chantrells? I picked them in Oregon back in my vegitarian days... man those things was like the filet mignon of shrooms... & priced like gold too.. so knowing where to pick em was extra cool Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
found this http://www.wild-harvest.com/pages/chanterelle.htm what you call chantrells dad used to call a "stump mushroom" goew in the same places sheepsheads grow but are all individual shrooms. what i called margoles are MORELS.
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
quote:they make a liquid from the root called PEDOFFILIN spellin might not be correct but it sounds like i spelled it.
Hey, OP--Has anything EVER sounded like you spelled it? Sorry, just had to... Must be the Amantinas I ate...
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Harding:
quote:they make a liquid from the root called PEDOFFILIN spellin might not be correct but it sounds like i spelled it.
Hey, OP--Has anything EVER sounded like you spelled it? Sorry, just had to... Must be the Amantinas I ate...
How many people thought about saying that, but let it slide. Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Actually bought some mushrooms today for a steak dinner - Dr. Hook? I saw a picture of him in Circus Magazine as a teenager - he had a pierced unit in the photo - weird - even for those times . . .
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