i would like something that you would get either from letterville fonts, david butler or even golden era studios. fonts could be ephemera or ballpark. the sign would read JUDSON DYNAMITE & POWDER WORKS BERKELEY,CALIFORNIA "we have all the supplies you need to blow anything up"
Posted by Jerry VanHorn (Member # 4704) on :
my charge is $65/hour Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
would like something that you would get either from letterville fonts, david butler or even golden era studios. fonts could be ephemera or ballpark. they can be purchased from here or their respectives web sites.......
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
John are you looking for someone do do a layout for you for free or a fee?
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
It's a quickie... will this do?
Hey, whaddaya expect for nuttin'?
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
Posted by Barry Branscum (Member # 445) on :
Hey since you guys are in the freebie spirit with all the cool design work, I wonder if anyone could send me a copy of their signmaking program, or maybe even some of your CDs with art on them?
While yer at it, I've also got a few signs that need designin', I'll send you the info and you can get around to 'em whenever you want, just so long as I can get 'em back this afternoon. That'd be great.
You will save me a bunch of cash, and I can take the credit for your effort!
Thanks a million!
GEEZ!
[ March 03, 2005, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Barry Branscum ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
maybe John can send you his program... seein' as how he ain't using it Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
John...Yer joking right????
BUT..I was just thinking/wondering if the grammar is correct on..."we have all the supplies you need to blow anything up"??
Shouldn't it say "blow up anything"?
Awwww what the heck...it's all in how you phrase it I guess.
Anyway, John, You were joking...RIGHT?
Edited to say...
Bruce, I LOVE your knitting skills!!! that knitted border looks just lovely.
Doug... Your rendition is SO powerful that I refuse to even offer a humble alternative option!!!
[ March 03, 2005, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Dave Grundy ]
Posted by Myra Grozinger (Member # 327) on :
You all are so bad
John, never mind them and the sarcasm. Just realize we are not a free design service. Hopefully we are all busy with our own requests for designs.
But once you to it yourself, and post it, and ask for input, YOU WILL GET IT and it will be worthwhile and a learning experience.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
I'm not sure I'd know how to design a sign for a dynamite demolision company with the clip art and font types you're suggesting.
You're right, Myra...but the others weren't entirely wrong.
And Jerry's reply was dead on. I'll do it for $65/hr too...unless you insist on using that clip art and fonts. That'll cost ya more.
Posted by John M Frankel (Member # 4485) on :
thank you for all your help in this matter you have shown me what not to ask for in the future
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
hey, don't take it personal John, Like Myra said... if you do your own design first & ask for critique or suggestions, you could get an amazing amount of professional courtesy & expert advice from this site.
If you do nothing more then post a paragraph about what you wish for... well, I'm still not sure what you were really looking for. Bob at least asked if you were wanting to pay for sign work. For most, it read like you wanted a handout, so we had a little fun with it.
Go ahead & turn this post around if you like. Step up & give us your best shot at a layout using fonts or clipart you already own... or even snagging rastor images off the net to at least cobble together some sense of your vision & I think you can count on some serious contributions to better yourself & your design skills.
No sense leaving on a sour note about the sense of humor around here.. if we misunderstood you... clear it up! If you really did need to learn not to ask professionals to do your work free so you can sell it.. well, we all learn something here & now you can get with the program, meet some interesting folks & learn a whole bunch more Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
John. When I saw this topic yesterday I got all excited, because I do like to try out my alleged design abilities, just for fun.
But I must admit that I was turned off by what I read, and I didn't respond. It really looked like you were wanting something for nothing, whether that was your intention or not.
Imagine going to a restaurant with other Heads during a meet. You might only have money for an order of Nachos and a glass of water. But Si ordered Prime Rib, Karyn got a gooey dessert, and both of these look so good that you are tempted to ask for a taste.
I know both of these people, and they would let you have a bite and laugh with you. But if you just took their plates and started gobbling, they would be offended.
You came on here, wanting a bite of Letterhead Fonts and Golden Studios. I'm assuming that you have none of the aforementioned fonts or CDs. I could be wrong, but that's how it looked.
Next time, show us what you have already come up with on your own. Most of us enjoy a good play with an existing design. We all learn and benefit from it.
That being said, I did a small sign layout for you. I used my VectorArt CD that I got for $5 with the purchase of a SignGold starter kit, and my Atkinson alphabets I got with that $99 Fontry special last spring. I am by no means wealthy, and the Butler, Jackson, & Copelin CDs are on my wishlist too. Every year I buy myself 1 CD or font. Love....Jill Posted by Barry Branscum (Member # 445) on :
Doug, we don't always agree, but I think your last post on this thread is one of your best. Well Said!
John, I meant no offense...think of it as initiation. If it makes you feel better, I did the same thing when I first showed up here 8 or 9 years ago...(well, okay, not the same thing)
Anywhoo I learned letterhead etiquette the hard way...right on the tip of my nose.
Learn from it, and roll on brother!
Welcome to the mad house!
Posted by John M Frankel (Member # 4485) on :
thank you for the advice barry, when you mess with the bull you get the horn. thank you again
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
Jill, I can see that some time went into that layout. Nice work girl! Just wanted you to know somebody out here in lala land appreciates it. Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
The way it works John is first submit any old crap for our perusal and then everyone will fall all over themselves to do what you initally wanted them to do. Just one level of hoops to jump through to get the results needed here.
Now, having said that, answer Bob Rochon's question, did you want it for free or fee? Anybody worth their salt in this business shouldn't need to make such a request. Critique maybe, but a flat out design is too much.
Not that you are first to do this, but I guess you ain't part of the brotherhood yet. You would have thought residency would have gotten you that.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
bitchin' layout Jill.... beauty appreciated by many I'm sure! One too few, it appears, but almost all who see it would find it an inspiring starting place at the very least.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Great layout, Jill!
Frank, Jill's layout should knock your customer's socks off! You should be able to just pull it off here and use it for a template. Or maybe Jill will send you an eps? You can wait until the next layout to learn how to do it yourself.
By the way, what's your favorite sign word?
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
David Wright, you are so right on with your reply that I actually have tears in my eyes from seeing how truth can be funny.
What a crock of hypocritical amphibiously analogically down right spaced out egotistical back patting bunch of liberals we have here in Letterville Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
Actually John e-mailed me and said thanks. I don't care if he mocks something up from my "layout", which took me all of 30 minutes while I was waiting for a load of laundry. I had fun doing it. Still determined not to let Corel defeat me. Love....Jill
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Well, Jill, ya did a fine job. Yer one talented young lady!
And I would certainly hope you'd get a thank you. Any chance of ya comin down to Femaville to clean my camper for me?
Posted by Dale Kerr (Member # 4661) on :
Geesh Jill, Now you just stuck a thorne in my paw. Why did I give all that money to your better half when i could have just posted a request up here for a logo. LOL I guess I'm really tryng to say that Corel seems to becoming more agreeable with you... Nice layout! Dale
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
yeah... like school, if you do your homework & you still suck... people will help (they might even offer a sympathetic pat on the back of people who suck but can't help it)
if you ditch class, don't listen & avoid homework, you still suck, but one might think you CAN help it, so you may not get the proverbial pat on the back.
handing out fish is easier... teaching someone how to fish is more worth the time (at least to this hypocritical, egotistical, liberal) but offering fishing lessons to a poacher with one hand in your cooler... call me hypocritical, but I'm too busy for that.
...as for the amphibiously, analogically spaced out bunch around here, I'll throw that one back to source.
Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
Here ya go, Dale! Love....Jill PS Don, check your email. Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
quote:What a crock of hypocritical amphibiously analogically down right spaced out egotistical back patting bunch of liberals we have here in Letterville
I see sentence structure and english composition isn't a strong suit in Letterville.
Excuse me while I step outside and inhale a good, deep breath of fresh H2O.
(I'm just teasing Joey...read the "blinded by the light" thread and you'll discover the sarcasm )
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
I wish John had answered my question in this post, I chatted with John via e-mail and he politely said he would pay if the price was right, not a bad answer, for we all would do the same. He wasn't looking for a free layout, it just became the assumption here as usual.
it seems that some of us can't wait for a target to pop up just to take a pop-shot at. And I'm not innocent on that either so I'm not judging at all here.
If I had the fonts I would have been more than willing to quote John a price for my time.
[ March 04, 2005, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
I guess when it happens to someone you don't know or even like, it just happens. But when it happens to a good friend, that I helped guide here, it's pure B/S!!! John is full-time firefighter that is extremely talented and has spent his free-time away from the FD, to achieve a level of excellence w/a brush. His work has also been featured in at least two national magazines. He's obviously a resident member of letterville, and still those of you out there chose to tear off a chunk. Shame on you is only thing that comes to mind.
Those that chose to be decent, I'm sure he appreciated it, class always shines...
Posted by Dale Kerr (Member # 4661) on :
Jill, I have just faxed for A refund to the accounting department @ StevodDesigns. I hope to here a reply for monday, or I will have to cancel my check. I definatley like your work way better... LOL I have a great idea, maybe the two of you could combine forces together..Nah, just a pipe dream. Cheers and have a great weekend. Dale Stevo, just joshin' wouldn't trade my logo for the world, as a matter of fact I should have it brought to life by the end of next week. I am very excited as I suspect you will be too!
Posted by Stevo Chartrand (Member # 2094) on :
Awwwwww Crap, Dale! I spent it already!
Stevo
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
I have comments (what else is new ) for both Bob & Frank...
Bob, I also wish John would have answered your question. I guess he has told you now, but untill then he told us "I would like something..."
...9 times out of 10, when we're not off on the frequent OT tangent, the "something" most of us like to get around here is guidance. Did we "assume" he wanted something free... not necessarily, but his replies started racking up in direct relation to how he worded his inquiry. I recognize that you are not putting yourself above the fray here, but when Frank, Joey & David (somewhat indirectly) appear to take pot-shots at letterville tendencies in general... whats the point? Is there some elusive "correct" way that anarchy should unfold?
Frank, I'm sure your good friend John is a talented firefighter & brush artist... but how can anyone expect a clear focused answer to a vague request???
What pure B/S "happened" to your friend anyway? My worst comments were about layouts that "suck", & were clearly a generalized reply to Joey, with no reference to John's talents. I just don't see that anyone should feel "shame" for kicking some (attempts at) humorous ideas around while waiting for John to make himself understood. Twice back in this thread & he still didn't state his intentions
Selling design work is the most difficult service to quote in my shop... even if you sit together looking at sketches, you can't really know what will work for the client & how long it will take. A bit of clear concise information up front is the only way to get a reply better then "$65/hour"
[ March 04, 2005, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Change "we have all the supplies you need....etc."....it's too long . . .
Change that to...
JUDSON DYNAMITE AND POWDER WORK SUPPLIES
"WE ALWAYS HAVE A REAL BLAST!!!"
Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
I wanna know how one steps outside to inhale a good deep breath of H2O. Sounds like drowning to me---unless the composition of air has changed lately.
bill preston
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
easy... David already answered that one yesterday... GILLS!
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Well of all the nerve
I too know John Frankel and would have helped if he would have called us, we would send any of our friends just about anything they would need, cept'n herbs
Anyone here want to pat me on the back?
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
"I need some help with this design." That brings back some memories.
For many years I have been attending Letterhead meets and hanging out with these guys and gals that call themselves Letterheads. They are a funny bunch by today's standards. Believe it or not, they actually share info and help improve each others skills at no charge.
I'm feeling really guilty right now. There were many times I would be stuck on a design idea and need help. Thankfully there were people like Bob Behounek, Ken Millar, Mike Stevens, Bruce Bowers and others more than willing to take time to explain what they knew about layout and design. I can never recall any of my mentors asking for payment. All they asked was that I pass the knowledge on.
I'm sorry for the response your question received John. Some may have assumed you just wanted a free design without being prepared to join in the process. Assumptions can often be wrong and we end up looking like arrogant, pompous asses.
I suggest we start from scratch and use these types of posts as learning experiences. Forget the software and font for now. What do you want the reader of this sign to feel? How big is it and how far away will the sign be from the reader? Please be more elaborate in your request.
As Letterheads, we are committed to helping each other learn to fish. Then you can feed yourself and teach others how to fish. It's a never ending cycle.
Now if you want to actually buy a fish ready for the table, there are all sorts of people here ready to help for a fee. Until we know for sure, we'll try resisting the urge to rip you to pieces.
Posted by Dale Kerr (Member # 4661) on :
I don't even like fish. maybe that's why I am such a crappy layout guy.
LOL Dale
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Yeah, well excuse me while I go get a drink of O2...
Sorry Bill, my h20 comment was an attempt at self-depricating humor from another post...it was more for Doug Allans amusement. Posted by Gonzalo (Peewee)Curiel (Member # 3837) on :
OK, here goes ... the other night when John posted this he sent me an e-mail in total disgust on what was happening in just the first 3 posts. I sent him an e-mail in return explaining how maybe he could have went about it and bafore he had a chance this thing just blew way out of hand. Yesterday I called him and he could not believe what had happened, Like he said maybe he worded it wrong but as it stood he was going to stay away for a long time! This really sucks because he is a "resident" here and if I remember right that cost him a few bucks. But John is that way he trys to do it right thing and doesn't want some thing for nothing, always wanting to help ( it must be the firefighter in him). As I told john yesterday I chose not to chime in in hopes that this would all go away and his reply was he wished it would also.. I met John in '98 at Mike Clines' brush rush and have hit it off real good and since became good friends with him.. He once rode his harley up from Alemeda on a chilly day (175 miles)in January to spend the day with me and watch as I did mini graphics and pinstriping on a ford truck, I know some people that won't travel across town to learn something.. and he did it such enthusiasum (sp) It made me believe he was and is a true artist! If any one has ever seen the Firefighter helmets he does would attest to that! Maybe he should have posted that he doesn't have a sign program at all, but them I'm sure he probably would have been slammed for that...Jill you are what we should all be on this board, Wonderful! and quite the sign artist (nice layout)! Sheila is running a close second... Thank you guys from a friend of a friend. John is one hell of a nice guy that didn't deserve this!!!!!
[ March 05, 2005, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: Gonzalo (Peewee)Curiel ]
Posted by Michael Latham (Member # 4477) on :
Amen to Steve's post. I followed the post from beginning to end and can understand it's evolution. I too wish John had come back and clarified a little instead of an missunderstood attitude as it seems he is a good guy and sign person. I also realize it is hard sometimes to see the difference in a razing response and a serious one. I hope Frank can get John back here and maybe help him post next time so there is no more misunderstandings. (Frank, better tell him to NEVER ask for clip-art, we all know what hell he'll get for that!)
Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
The thing I wonder is, if he had been a regular, would he have gotten the same treatment? Ill agree his statements were pretty vague, but to me it sounded like he was being bullied pretty roughly. It might be "fun" to some of you guys, but Id imagine some didnt see it that way. Oh well, we live and learn.
Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
I don't have either of the fonts that you asked about. This is about as close as I had to offer. Maybe it will help get the creative juices flowing.
[ March 05, 2005, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Patrick Whatley ]
Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
Pat, that is gorgeous. Love....Jill
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
The more you read that slogan the more you wonder if Homeland Security fancies it that much.
Interesting business.
Posted by Sonny Franks (Member # 588) on :
Here's another take:
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Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
Sweet!
Posted by John M Frankel (Member # 4485) on :
i just want to thank the letterheads that stood up for me and have supported me in the past as well as the future. i apologize for the vague request in the beginning, a lesson learned. i would like to thank all who did give some of there time in designing a sign that i can incorporate into one design. this is what i was looking for. again thank you john frankel frankel@alamedanet.net "you litem we fightem"
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
To put some of this into alignment; let me say the the difference between bantering and bullism, is that in bantering, your "victim" is aware of your intentions, unlike being bullied. We all have a lot of fun in here amongest ourselves, bantering between us; poor John, not being know or knowing, stepped into it full stride. I truly believe there wasn't a mean bone amongest any that were preceived as bullies, and I apoligize for my immediate reaction to such, even though I'm still miffed because of it, but that's not productive. John now has an "offical" Letterville welcome under his belt and will have bragging rights over such for many a midnite tale to come; Letterville has another taste of humility and another successful recovery under it's belt, all is well...and;John made some fast friends and acquired the knowledge and help he was after originally, from some of Letterville's best; yes, all's well....that ends well.
Posted by Patrick Whatley (Member # 2008) on :
Is that kind of like when they beat the crap out of you before they let you join a gang? Posted by Gonzalo (Peewee)Curiel (Member # 3837) on :
Yup!!!!!
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
This wasn't the first time this has happened either..
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Cool designs guys....and I really like yours John...pretty neat.
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