Mad Cow disease.....back in the news again. Are you concerned about it? Have you known anyone that contracted it? How does it affect your food buying decisions? That's all...just curious.
It seems like this would be something that could be easily eradicated. What concerns me a little is the fact that there is no cure for human contraction of the disease. That's a little scary...and a lot scary if you were on the receiving end.
Posted by TransLab (Member # 470) on :
There's no cure for AIDS either, and it effects millions of people.
Are you angry about that?
Posted by Jean-Claude Theriault (Member # 966) on :
Well said Mike!
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
How can you be angry about something you have no control over.
I had an aunt that died from it (at the time it was a rare "Croitchfeldt Jacob" syndrom)(sp) it was a terrible death...no one in her direct family contracted it yet it was believed that she contracted it because she loved and ate the brain and organ meat from the cattle that were butchered on her own farm...(fortunately no one else in the family liked organ meat)thus there was no transmission to other members of the family. (this was in the 70's in rural Missouri...to give you an idea of how long it's been around)
Maybe this will make your concern lessen...personally I'll eat beef til it kills me!
Posted by Jeff Fisher (Member # 5296) on :
Here in the Portland area the "Mad Cow" scare hit home when all the hamburger from one major grocery store (where we shop on a regular basis) had to be recalled due to a the cattle from a farm in the region, which supplied a local butcher, testing positive. Most people I know just switched to buying grain-fed beef from other sources.
- Jeff
[ January 12, 2005, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Jeff Fisher ]
Posted by Dale Manor (Member # 4858) on :
Want a good scare...pick up and read the book "Fast Food Nation"....
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
Yeah I'm angry about mad cow - about how the fear of it has caused such financial hardship to cattlemen across our country..... But I don't want to get political - so enough said.
Posted by Jean-Claude Theriault (Member # 966) on :
Dale - I recently watched the Super Size Me movie and have totally stayed away from burger joints since that night. It was a wake up call for me.
Now friends and I went out the other night and we ended up at a KFC. I don't recall ever feeling that ill after eating that crap. I think my fast-food days are over.
Posted by Ken Henry (Member # 598) on :
Here's a REAL scary thought: Farmers and Cattlemen ALL KNOW the financial ramifications if any deseased animal is found or detected in their herds. The impact will become not only theirs, but the entire industry will become suspect, and possible quarantines and trade embargos will result. Knowing that, supposing that someone does find a "suspect" animal in their herd. Do they immediately call up their health/agricultural enforcement people to report their situation, or do they simply shoot the animal themselves, not tell a single soul, and bury the carcass themselves?
Doing "the right thing" just may have become a whole lot harder, when all of the implications are considered. One single attempt to hide or cover-up an infected animal can quickly result in questionable meat getting into the human food chain. How secure does that make you feel??? Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
Honestly, you've got a better chance of being hit by a bus than dying from Mad Cow. If you worried about all the stuff that could "get you" you'd make yourself nuts.
I know that many of you have been in the food industry at some point and are aware of the "ugly" side of it. The average restaurant in SF and LA gets inspected every THREE years. I could go on but you get the idea.
[ January 12, 2005, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: Kimberly Zanetti ]
Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
financial hardship is just the beginning...... what its done to farm family's is even worst... ask me.
Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
I'd dine on Canadian Beef anytime. Love....Jill
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
I'm not paranoid about it I'd say,....but I do think about it.
I haven't stopped eating beef over it myself and wouldn't unless reports of mass detections became apparent.
I'm very concerned in regards to how it could affect the livelihoods of the cattle industry. Hopefully, they can track down the bad stuff...and get it handled.
I won't touch the "aids" comments as I think that would take a political turn for the worse here...but I was really wondering how it might or might not affect Canadian/US food buying decisions.
I'd be more than willing personally, to spend more money for a beef product I know was strictly grain fed. I suppose like anything, in an effort to rush a product to market, health considerations take a back seat.
Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
I'm not a real big meat eater anyway because I just don't like it all that much. I do eat some beef on occassion. What else do cows eat if it's not grain? I guess I'm a city chic!
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
I have never smoked an herb which made me eat at McDonalds Persons who know me know that I pride myself of never to have set foot in a Mickey D's
Eat what ya want, just don't tell me about it.
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
If you want to read a little more on Mad Cow disease, try reading "Deadly Feasts".Mad Cow or its real name Bovine Sponiform Encerhalopathy, was found out in New Guinna. Semms that some nice Cannibals there were getting a form of Mad Cow disease after they had dined on their fellow dead relaitives. Their brains had developed the same swiss chesse texture as seen in cattle with Mad Cow.
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Sneezing while trying to pull a straight line is a far bigger concern.
That SuperSize video had a big effect on me as well. I knew that sort of diet was bad, but had no idea it could have such a negative effect in such a short time. I haven't had a soft drink since.
Posted by Lotti Prokott (Member # 2684) on :
If you haven't lived with the direct consequenses of what this disease has done to the cattle industry, you don't know what you're talking about. We are out of business and have sold our 1600 acre cattle ranch last year. We were very lucky to find a buyer and get a more or less decent price. Mad cow disease wasn't the only factor but the final blow. Some farmers have taken their own lifes because they can't see any way out of their financial disasters.
Living in a farming area as we do here, there is no escaping from these facts. I think I'd rather hear about something else when I come to this board.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
... Eating ANY meat is a risk. Hello vegetarianism!
...It was those noble cow farmers themselves who fed their cows feed mixed with sick cow brains, spines (etc) that caused this problem. Now that they have supposidly "cleaned up their act", ONE bad farmer could still blow it all.
...There is alot that consumers are not being told about BSE. The meat producers know there would be a massive panic (and lawsuits) if the public knew how prevelent this really is. The meat industry would collapse.
...As human guinea pigs, carnivors will have to wait and see what develops over time. They better pray that this disease doesn't have a latentcy, and doesn't appear after years of eating animals.
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
Do you ever consider the consequenses of what you say? Perhaps you could do some research into this first.....
Posted by Mark Sheflo (Member # 3608) on :
Angry about Mad Cow, no. Concerned about feeding it to my children, yes. My wife and I have looked into this pretty close, haven't bought beef since the first case in Canada/US (sorry Lotti).
We are thinking of getting back to it, but not just your standard Safeway/Kroger beef. Two companies stand out in our minds as doing beef the right way. Oregon Country Beef and Lasater Grasslands Beef . Yes, you would pay more for these. Yes, our position may seem extreme to some. Tough cookies!
Special note to Amy Brown - read over the Lasater site or read Fast Food Nation to see the options on what your beef is fed.
Reading about the meat packing industry in general makes one want to become a vegan.
W.R. - eating ANYTHING nowadays is a risk!
Mark (still a carnivore)
[ January 12, 2005, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Mark Sheflo ]
Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
Lottie, i have empathy, my autographic business was tied in with dealerships dealing with mainly beef farmers..... it finished me .....
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
This disease spreads because the leftovers from the slaughterhouses are mixed in to cattle feed to increase protein content. Supposedly that practice is now illegal, and given what the cattle industry stands to lose, the law is probably being taken seriously.
There's a lot of disgusting things going on with the corporate food industry. Hogs are given "ditch liquor" which is their own fermented wastes, instead of water, because it increases weight. Of course, it also makes them sick, damaging their livers and kidneys, but they don't live long enough for that to matter.
Posted by Jim Walz (Member # 2600) on :
I've been sort of angery and short fused lately. Is that one of the symptoms?
Posted by Jim Walz (Member # 2600) on :
I'm sorry - "angry". Is missspelling a symptom also?
Darn, them baby back ribs!
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
Translab & Kelly
I haven't bought beef in a store for years and it has nothing to do with mad cow. For years, we've been buying a cow off a local farmer & having it butchered. After living on good beef, I can't stand to even look at the stuff at the grocery store.
I feel for the farmers who have been hurt by this. It's a shame that so many are being punished & loosing their homes & livelihood because of a few bad apples.
[ January 12, 2005, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Kissymatina ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
ok as the resident VEGITARIAN here i really dont worry about it...I HAVENT ATE ANY MEAT FOR 16 YEARS!!! yes virginia, you can survive and do very well without any meat in your body. so dont belive all the crap about PROTIEN that you have to have. to debunk this notion thats been feed to you by the MEAT industry....ALL THE MEAT YOU EAT ARE VEGGITARIANS!!! beef, pork, chicken, turkey are NOT MEAT EATER!!! the most powerful and strongest animals in the jungle, silver back gorilla and cape buffalo are VEGITARIANS!! most cats who kill meat are oportunistic killers, which means they kill only the weak, sickly, or old, so dont think the lion is the king of the jungle. do you eat cat, possum, vulture and dogs? NO. these are carnivor animals and for some reason they arent table fair for us. i grew up on a dairy farm, we butchered our own meat. we also used to have a milker go down(saw 2 in 10 years)with what we and the vet called MILK FEVER. incurable, and the cow behaved the same as a cow with mad cow disease. couldnt stand up, constantly falling, legs goin every which way. we would ship her off to the slaughter house...we didnt EAT THE MEAT FROM THIS COW. as for the slaughter house i had a freind who was "afternoon shift cook & janitor". started work at 4 pm after all the killing and butchering was done. he would watch the "COOK ROOMS", all the processed lunch meats, bologna, hot dogs, press ham, killbassi would cook at 150 degree for 8-10 hours....in the time between checking the rooms...he cleaned up the mess. in the center of the floor there was a hole 24-30" diameter and it went into a super duper grinder(like a tree chipper)down in the basement. whole cow heads(with no horns) would drop right in there and in less then 2-3 seconds it was nothing more stuff like a tree chipper makes. the heads, feet, tails, bad cuts of meat, meat that fell on the floor all went in here along with the blood that was collected in the bleed area where they slit the throats...and had them strug up by their back legs. all this would then go to a cooker, big rotating drum like afair and it and was 150-200 degrees and it cooked all the chips with blood, then he would go down there and dump this stuff into a press that made 20-24" discs of all the chips and blood. these would be stacked on palettes and then sold to DOG AND ANIMAL FOOD COMPANIES to be mixed into dry dog/cat food. so nothing goes to waste in a slaughter house. not sure if some of this dont get mixed in with cattle feed. ive said it before if most of you had to kill to eat, most of ya wouldnt eat meat. steve as for the movie SUPERSIZE not only are the sodas bad especially those with artificial sweetners.... what are those mickey d's french fries made of...surly not potatoes.....and 100% pure beef for their meat....cow meat never had that texture to it...hehehehehehe. iam having a medical problem addressed i have a mass/tumor/ blood clot in my bladder and iam having surgury jan 18th. its called a systostopy?, the doc goes in thru "mr winky" and looks inside the bladder, removes the mass, carterizes the bleeding and i should be up and normal in a week. the reason iam adding this to it is the amount of tests and nurses and doctors who have poked and prodded me all seem to be amazed that i dont take any pills, blood pressure is 125/80, colestrol is normal, heart is strong, blood work is above normal std., and iam soon to be 60! i becsme a vegitarian for health reasons only, i still wear leather shoes, leather belt, leather seats in the car, and i almost bought a leather couch. so iam not doin this because i feel for tha animals. iam concerned for my own health and well being.
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelly Thorson: Do you ever consider the consequenses of what you say? Perhaps you could do some research into this first.....
He doesnt have to think of what he says...he knows everything....ask him he'll tell you..probably twice
Posted by Jim Upchurch (Member # 209) on :
Joe, that's fine and dandy but could you learn to spell "vegetarian"?
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Well if OP is a poster child for vegetarianism, I'll stick to meat, tainted or otherwise.
That said, eating meat doesn't mean we can't be better about how we regulate,(individually and as a group) our meat supply. I like Chris's way.
Posted by John Largent (Member # 4606) on :
What, Actually, does this have to do with Signpainting?
And, must the comments by the last four have to be so cynical?
A sermon and three Flames?
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
I don't know John, signpainters eat don't they. Cynical? My kids give me a harder time than that.
Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
Gee OP, my two grandfathers lived to a combined age of 184.. they ate meat every day.. never had any peepee problems... maybe a tubesteak now and then would do ya good,,,, hehhhehhhhe,,,, im allowed to pick on him he's my illeg. father....
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
I'm not worried about it. All the studies show BSE is isolated to the brain and spinal column, afterall it is specifically a brain disease - a given just from the name alone - Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy.
Stay away from brains and processed meats like sausage and bologna which are made from all parts of the animal mashed together.
Stick to the solid muscle portions and you should be OK.
Anything that's ground up is also suspect, unless you picked out the cut yourself and it ground for you, including what you might get at a restaurant.
It's also worth noting that "Mad Cow Disease" is not some randomly occurring nuisance present in nature. Its sole cause is human intervention, people trying to recycle parts of these animals thinking they can enrich the proteins thus resulting in a healthier product for people.. well, they added protein alright - the Prion Protein, a genetic mutation of feeding an herbivore meat from its own species and the direct cause of BSE.
I saw Super Size Me too... great film. The film itself is pretty disgusting but then there are the extra interviews and factoids on the DVD that just push it over the top.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
ok del...your grandfathers probably killed most of their meat....also it wasnt as "processed" as it is today, and they ate more veggies in those day and worked a lot harder, and most didnt live that long. as for my spelling....its not the only words i spell wrong and has nothin to do with the fact that most here eat to much "processed" meat products. survey of meat eaters...how many are on cholestrol lowering drugs? blood pressure, blood thinners, antacids, or aa hundred other pills you take for problems that are caused from your eating habits. and dave you have no idea of what iam like to make that statement, and what pills do you take, i take none!!...some of you meat eaters are as hard headed as SMOKERS & DRINKERS are in defence of your "drug of choice". as for me posting what i said its FYI and like it or not THERE ARE PROBLEMS PEOPLE. but dont worry about it as long as your govt inspectors, FDA, all agree its good for you....then hay...KNOCK YOURSELFS OUT. in all reality you got to admit to meat being part of the obesity problem...how many fat chinese you see from eating to much rice? anyway i know what works for me, and if iam such a bad example then improve on what i do......in your own way.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
What does this have to do with sign painting???
Well, that's easy! It's tough to work on an empty stomach, and I presume there are enough mobile signmakers that necessitate eating "on the road." I have to believe a lot of us would be eating burgers....or subs.
OP - you actually stated your case well....you pose a legitimate argument even though this topic has gotten way off track.
It's kind of humorous how you can start a topic on brush cleaners and it ends up a debate on the cause of pimples.
Hey, I'm not saying I'm not guilty because I am, .....just saying it's humorous in a way.
Back on track; I have to agree with Kissy's solution. I have been thinking about getting beef via her plan for a while now. I'd like to try that.
A recent article in Consumer Reports dealt with the quality of super market chicken. ALL major brands tested around the country with the exception of 2 tested positive for Salmonila bacteria.
They suggested thorough cooking to kill it of course but it was an eye-opening article that pointed out the need to be very diligent when preparing food and avoiding cross-contamination.
Have a great evening everyone...your replies are all very interesting....thanks to those who contributed ....
[ January 12, 2005, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by Mike Barnes (Member # 2277) on :
Well, the only 'mad cows' I've seen are on the Chic-fil-a billboards. I don't recall them ever making me angry though.........
This really doesn't have anything to do with this post, but it does have something to do with signs.
WHEW!! I'm glad that I could find a way to tie it all together.
Sorry, Todd. Just wanted to try to inject a little humor.
........hand me a beer Teddy!............
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
Avoiding mad cow prions by just eating meat and avoiding brains may not be possible.
Cows are killed by shooting a bolt into their brains, causing lots of damage across the blood brain barrier, their heart continues to pump blood for a few minutes circulating prions through the meat. So it is possible to have prion contaminated meat.
After reading up on madcowboy.com I decided that OP was right and I have entirely changed my diet.
The sky is falling and it's filled with freezing rain I hate mild winters!
Actually 4 local people died from this disease last August. They were not related but they all lived in nearby Kingston NY. Apparently it only took 2 weeks from diagnosis to death. It was big news for a couple of days when one of them died in Albany med.
ernie
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
I am the Mad Cow, I am the Walrus........ you know the rest.
CrazyJack
Posted by Donna in BC (Member # 130) on :
When we raised our own beef, they ate our own hay and pasture. No shots, no chemicals, nothing.
Best beef I've ever had.
Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
LOL Gavin!
Posted by Adrienne Morgan (Member # 1046) on :
OP you are wrong to assume that chickens are vegetarians....
Chickens are omnivores
They will eat ANYthing that don't eat them first!!
My chickens have been seen eating mice, rats, snakes, lizards, bugs, slugs, worms, spiders, eggs, and if a bird in a small environment gets an injury, they will eat her too!!
A:)
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
chickens are normally "savengers". which puts them in the same class as possums and vultures. we used to raise em, and when i=one would get the taste of blood from fightin other chickens, we had to kill it...because it became a total canibal...would try to eat the other chickens!!!!! food raised chickens are grain feed, they wack the tip off there beaks to keep them from peckin the other chickens.
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Interesting subject. It's not sign related, but as a community that cares for each other, informed ideas on diet and lifestyle are of interest.
I'm probally a good example of what not to do. All through my youth and high school, my health was excellant. I was Captain of the wrestling team and weighed 150 lbs.
Smoking and beer were two of my favorite things, but I managed to finish high school, get a job, meet a gal named Barb and get married at 20. Stll the perfection of health, I managed to produce 4 kids in rapid succession. Barb helped too BTW!
During the next 10 years, we started our signshop. Partime at first and then fulltime. I weighed 180 lbs. when we attended our first Letterhead Meet in 1983. That was a big year!
By 1983, we were doing a bunch of awnings. Most of the sign backgrounds were sprayed. We were one of the first to produce backlit awnings. Some were huge and we moved into a bigger shop up the highway. An exhaust system was added, but I have to admit I was very careless with the spray. Truth is, the young often feel they are invincible.
1983 was also the year I stopped drinking alcohol. I come from a long line of excessive drinkers and my beer habits were having a negative impact on our family life. One day I woke up with the realization that I was a poor role model for our kids. Haven't had a drink since.
That's me in 1983. 31 years old. 185 lbs., a smoker, but still in excellant health.
Fast forward 10 years to 1993. It is early Christmas morning and I'm playing Santa. Steve is now 317 lbs., has a tyroid problem, breathing probs, diabetes and high blood pressure. That was nothing compared to what was to come.
I suffered the first of 4 heart attacks that Christmas morning. Everyone has an opinion, but it's incredible how much someone can abuse their health in just 10 short years. You gotta ask what the heck I did to get myself into this situaton at 40 years of age.
OP will tell you it was eating meat. Many will say smoking caused it. Others in my own family who are naturalists will swear it was a lack of vitamins, herbs and toxic clearing enemas. About the only thing everyone will agree on is that it was all my fault. It's always easier to fix the blame instead of the problem.
So what compelled me to write all this down at 4am in the morning? It's really not about mad cow disease or any of the bad habits above. It's just my attempt to warn you all of what can happen in a few short years. Nothing is worth losing your health over.
What do I think happened?
That big shop required big money to keep the doors open. Instead of going home to eat, my meals all came from the numerous fast food joints along the highway. Until I saw Supersize Me, I had no idea what we eat can have such a rapid effect on our overall health.
My work habits were careless. Neglecting safe handling and spraying of paints. Working impossible hours, and not knowing when, or how, to stop doing something that was not working anymore. The resulting frustration and stress led to more overeating and overwork. A vicious merry-go-round that I was unable to stop. I call it suicide by signshop.
Some of you reading this are stuck in the same rut. You know what you are doing is not working. We are taught since childhood that "Real men" don't quit and quitters never win. It's all BS!
There is nothing wrong with changing horses. If stress is having a negative impact on your life, it may be time to change jobs and do the signs partime. Your health is too precious to squander.
I've never saw a time when people have so much and are still so miserable. Everyone has some revolutionary new diet, exotic drink or therapy that they insist will improve our lives and/or health. Traditional medicine and modern drugs are regarded as evil, yet today's average person will live 10-20 years longer than our ancestors. It's not all bad news.
How do I sum up this mess of jumbled words? I've spent to much time pecking away to trash the whole thing. Do your own research instead of relying on what you hear. Keep an open mind and try not to live your lives in fear of everything you hear in the media. Live a life of moderation and enjoy every minute of life you can. Dispite all you see and hear in the media, including this BullBoard, life still beats a dirt nap.
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
My brother-in-law has a beef farm, & we get our beef from him. I am not worried at all. We also eat deer meat & pheasant, & I am not worried about that either. But hey, how 'bout those Fear Factor contestants??? YUCK!!!! They eat the brains, the bowels, you name it! I always wonder what kind of papers they have to sign before they go on there.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Yo Steve...thanks for the personal story....I think you're right on the mark and I'm sure it will help to bring to light how careful we must be in regards to living a healthy lifestyle...especially for our loved ones' sake. I know it helps me to hear your story.
Have a great day.
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Todd . . . (and BTW I don't mind posts /,etal,ie,etc,..'bulletine' board material all...
...'jes overlook it if ya ain't int'ersted.
The subject tho, les'see was ...mad cow disease... an' what I really wanna say is, if your really worried about it, step back and remember that you live in a modern society full of amazing discoveries . . .you are a person who should be be glad you were'nt around in the old west days when big herds of cattle had to be put down for varied diseases, including simular 'mad-cow' diseases that you no longer even hear of, because technology, agriculture & education have combined to develope things that make meat safer and have improved it's safety a thousand times over what it was even in the last century. Posted by Adrienne Morgan (Member # 1046) on :
Dad's heart attack before Christmas was a wake up call for all of us....even tho we had been doing the diet thing for years, all of us were sloppy about how we did it, and far to hung up on proccessed 'lo-carb' diet foods (really bad stuff!)
Dad was shooting insulin to counteract his bad eating habits, and sneaking bad snacks in between meals (we all were doing it!)
Now, three weeks later....
He's dropped a few pounds, in no longer using insulin, is keeping his blood sugars within target range, and feeling much better.
I've been creative with cooking, finding all sorts of wonderful meals to make which are lo-carb and healthy (not loaded with butter, steaks and cream)
We like the lo-carb lifestyle guy on the Food Channel...he lost over 200 pounds, and we've been enjoying his recipies!
If anyone's interested I can share some of our favourite ones with you, just e-mail me.
My brother's new restaurant in San Francisco (Jack Falstaff's) is based on healthy life style eating and we've been swapping ideas.
One thing we love is whipped creamy cauliflower....steam cauliflower till very soft, whip with butter (or non-trans fat margarine), lo-carb milk (or H&H) and kosher salt...use an emersion bleander, or put through a food mill to make it smooth....you won't miss the taters!!
I'm going to try it tonight with roasted garlic! A:)
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
MOO! Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
steve thank you for your input. you summed it up the best that can be said. in my defense of what you say about me and my being a vegetarian, i just want to say..."this is what worked for ME! i said this before that i also had 3 heart attacks at 42, might not have been as extensive as yours, but bad enough to scare the H-E-L-L outa me. 1st off i quit smokin(did it for almost 30 years, 3 packs a day)also because my dad died at 50 and was a 3 pack a day smoker...so it didnt take much to sway my quitting. took almost 2 years to get my physicality back to near normal. the non-meat diet was the only thing available when they 1st started checking cholestrol. mine was 305!!! again i dont want to die, so i tryed no red meat only, didnt make a diff. then hennie(60's hippy)decides shes done eating meat. so i go along. within 90 days of no meats cholestrol went from 305 to 160!!!!! AND NO DRUGS...they wasnt available then either. like i said THIS WORKS FOR ME. carbs are what i live on, but i know the differance between SIMPLE & COMPLEX this makes a big differance. i know people who have lost tons on the ATKINS, i know some have had tummy tucks, others do well with lifestyle changes. as i also learned in TIA CHI(very meditative some parts of it)you need to listen to your body and it will tell you what you need. i also agree with the stress problem, we all(men)live with that manly crap like steve said...you gota be tough and never quit....well death dont care how tough you is....IT WILL WIN! we all gota die of somethin..is most peoples mantra....well i just try to limit the options.......hehehehehehehehe DO WHAT YOU GOTA DO.................STAY WELL AND HEALTHY FOLKS.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
you are amazing OP! I mean how many folks, especially in this profession, can actually misspell a word like tai? That is almost impossible... but hey, whatever keeps your stress down
...oh yeah, did I say Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Eyem so Mad I cood pea.
CrazyJack
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
ill be glad when i can pee....without worryin about pluggin up!!!!! doug...youse nose i kant spelt nhotin write.....hehehehehehehbut i dont stress over it.....
Posted by Adrienne Morgan (Member # 1046) on :
Oh Pee spels thigs faux-netikly
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"Oh Pee" Posted by Brad Farha (Member # 931) on :
I eat more red meat than anyone else on the planet, and I'm not concerned.
Posted by Adrienne Morgan (Member # 1046) on :
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