I fought with this for a while tonight til I figured out what was going on. Thought I'd pass it on, so other Drawers can tuck it away in the corners of their mind if it ever throws them for a loop.
I had a shape made of combined arcs. I selected it & the size was shown as 13.5". I tried cutting & pasting it, exporting it as cmx and using the corel launcher to get it into Omega. In Omega it was coming up as 12.6" wide. At first I tried re-sizing it to tell it that it was 13.5", in which case the height in Omega was different than the height in Corel. I checked wireframe mode for strange lines hanging around, nodes, etc. Nada. I them imported into the Corel the CMX file I had exported. It showed the smaller size. I placed it over the original and it was the exact same size!
Ends up, the handles to change the curves were sticking out from the curve and when selecting the original item in draw, it was measuring the size as farthest points out, be it line or handle. These handles are in the same place in the CMX file, but it's just measuring the actual lines on that.
I only noticed this because I was trying to c&p it into Omega & when I do that I have to tell it the correct size.
Posted by Stevo Chartrand (Member # 2094) on :
When I export from Corel I use an .ai or .eps. Seems to come into Omega fine.
Posted by Bill Cosharek (Member # 1274) on :
Which otherwise might be known as "off-curve extremes" (nodes outside the normal imaginary box). Yes, anytime the sizes don't match up, that's usually the 1st thing you look for.
This is one of those things that'll become like a second-nature and will be done automatically bayou. (looking for them - that is)
What Stevo says is true especially with eps which seems to always add nodes way too many; but in doing so eliminates off-curve extremes.
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
Forget the whole Omega thing guys. This is while it's in Corel Draw as a CDR that it's measuring a different size than it really is.
What is really quirky is that the re-imported CMX is the exact same size as the original CDR (when laid on top of each other), with the grab handles in the same places but when I select it, it shows the size of the object without those handles.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Chris...I am trying to recreate the scenario you are talking about.
I draggd down two guidlines and set them 3" apart. I then drew a circle and sized it to 3". When I selected the circle and moved it to the guidelines it fit perfectly and the 8 "grab handles" were outside of the guidelines. Thinking you might mean node editing handles I converted the circle to curves and dragged one of the node editing handles till it was outside the guidelines. Resized the shape to 3". The node editing handle was still outside the guidelines but the shape was exactly 3" tall and lay perfectly on the guidelines.
So, here I am, wondering what exactly you are experiencing????
Could you draw me a picture????
Even better yet, could you e-mail me the CDR and the CMX files so I can see what it is you mean?
[ October 08, 2004, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Dave Grundy ]
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
Hope this helps Dave. The actual width of the shape is 12.6". The node editing handles for the curves that make the shape stick out away from the shape. When I select the shape, it shows the size as the 13.5"
Like I said, if I export it as a CMX, then import that, the node editing handles are in the same place, but it's says the size is 12.6", measuring just the lines.
Posted by Leonard Sappington (Member # 4562) on :
Chris...I'm glad you figerd it out...
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
That seems awfully odd....so the .cdr file is mis-measuring the object based on including the protruding grab-handles....but when exported as a .cmx it is not?
Something is wrong...either there is a bug in the program or something else is going on (duh, like you didn't already know that, right? )
Just curious what version you have....I still have Corel 7 as I have moved over to Illustrator.
Also, I must concur with Steve on exporting it as an .ai or an .eps for Omega use....
Please let us know if you figure out the "why's" of this dilema.
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
Chris,
I have CorelDraw12.
I have also tried to replicate it. If my oval is 13.5" (as measured by guidelines) then corel gives a length measurement of 13.5" and is measuring the object not including the handles. The cmx file exports and imports back into corel as 13.5" as measured within the handles.
Graphics programs can certainly do some puzzling things.
Have you tried recreating the shape in a new file and re-exporting it (perhaps to a slightly different filename)? That wouldn't help you figure out what's wrong with this file, but perhaps the new one wouldn't misbehave like this one.
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
Also, my handles stay right on the edge of the curve in both files...not out from the graphic like that.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
William...Chris is talking about the node edit handles...Not the 8 handles that surround an object when the pick tool is activated.
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
I've seen Chris' problem happen a couple of times myself. Also, if you type in some text and note the size of your block of copy, the size indicated will shorten when converted to curves. It seems Corel also counts some of the potential distance between letters as length while still in the text mode.
Also, type a capital "I", note the length displayed by Corel and then change it to curves and see what Corel says it is.
For the most part, this quirk doesn't make any real difference but if dimensions are critical, I convert a copy to curves to measure.
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
Dave (Grundy not Harding),
Thanks for the correction. She did say that. But that's even wierder, because nodes are supposed to be right on the curve. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the whole thing (which is very possible).
[ October 08, 2004, 05:22 PM: Message edited by: William Bass ]
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
William....Draw a circle, convert it to curves. Use the node edit tool (second one down on the left toolbar). Click on one of the 4 nodes in the circle. You will see two "grab handles" appear, that are connected to the actual node by a dotted line. Click on one of them and drag it around. That is the handle that Chris is refering to. Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
oh...the thingymabobs that come out of the nodes...sorry.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Hey, this is prime time...let's not be mentioning "thingymabobs" or anything of the like....hehehe.
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
Sorry, Todd. I guess "node handles" IS better.
Dave, Now I understand your initial "recreat the scenario" even better. I get the same results...Corel measures the shape correctly even with the node handles beyond the dimensions of the curve. Sometimes you just cant explain what happens when a computer...
(twilight zone music begins to play in the background).
Posted by Stevo Chartrand (Member # 2094) on :
Chris. Have you tried this again? Is it still doing it? It might something simple as your video card doing funny things. I know that Omega might do funny things if your video card acceleration is turned up, maybe its doing the same with corel? (just kinda troubleshooting in the dark here)
Just wondering why you would use a .cmx (Corel Presentation Exchange) file to export into Omega? Did you originally create the shape in Corel? If so you could save yourself potential headaches in the future by simply creating it in Omega and outputting from there. Seems like alot of running around and a ton of extra steps to take just for a simple shape.
If you do have to use Corel I do recommend staying away from the.cmx file and just use an .ai or .eps for exporting. When you do though you will have to check for extra nodes, shapes on top of shapes, size, etc.
happy converting
Stevo
Posted by Rovelle W. Gratz (Member # 4404) on :
I haven't been able to recreate the example using Corel 11.
I do remember something like that happening with 5 or 6 when I had some twisted nodes or something.
the way it showed up was when I went to show all objects mode and the object was just a very small shape in the middle of the screen. I recall eventually finding a twisted node with the handle several inches from the actual object.
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
It's version 11. I had never seen this before or at least never noticed it before.
Stevo, This was originally created in Corel and I don't exactly care for Omega. I tried cutting & pasting it into Omega and the launcher. I thought the sizing problem had something to do with those, so I checked Omega's stuff & it said to export it as a CMX. I did that, imported it into omega & had same sizing thing going on, so on a hunch I imported that cmx back into Corel. That's how I stumbled upon what was going on. I didn't see any difference on this particular file between the c&p method, launcher or cmx file so I doubt I'll use cmx files.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Chris..I checked out the two versions you sent me..both ARE identical..but one DOES display the size as being different...
This is something I have never seen before.
As that guy on "Laugh-In" would say...."VERRRRRY INTERESTING"!!!!
But I am not gonna lose sleep over it..it's YOUR problem..not mine!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Steve Eisenreich (Member # 1444) on :
I have seen this before I am not sure why if happens but I am wondering if this file had ever been in a previous version like version 9. I know you said you are now working in 11 but was any part of this bad file created in an earlier version? Could you send me a copy of this bad file so I could take a look?
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Ammendmant . . .I realize he HAS replied to the foam letters post but his answers seemed unconcerned and disconnected compared to replies on other subjects . . .
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