Hi, Do these type of cutters and pouncers work well? Or should I get an electro pounce? I use a hand wheel now.
Posted by Greg McRoberts (Member # 3501) on :
Jerry, I've got a Summa T-750 with the pounce feature, and it works great.
If you can plot it, you can make a pounce pattern with it. I'd hate to go back to projecting, pounce wheel etc.
Posted by John Byrd (Member # 825) on :
My Ioline super 88 pounces as well.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
The only problem I have with most modern pounce capable plotters is the "sewing machine" method in which it has to poke holes in the paper.
Too much wear and tear on the machine in my opinion. Gerber had the pounce wheel in the old 4b's and s750's I don't know about the newer Gerbers.
Posted by Gene Golden (Member # 3934) on :
Jerry, An Electro Pounce sure is fun! It kinda depends on how much work you actually pounce. Do you currently have a plotter? If so it will draw a pattern for you that you can pounce by EP. If it is rare, that may be a way to go. At times, when I need a larger pounced pattern, I will take the panels drawn on my Gerber and tape them to 4' butcher paper or craft paper, THEN use the electro pounce. The draw mode works much faster than the pounce mode, and then I end up with a solid pattern instead of a bunch of taped pieces.
Posted by jerry jaran (Member # 524) on :
Hi, Thanks for the tips. I am getting an Electro Pounce from a friend at a great price soon. I need a 24 in. plotter tho. I have a Graphtec 20 in. now.
Posted by Harris Kohen (Member # 2139) on :
this might be a dumb question but what is the advantage financially to adding ONLY 4" to your cutting abilities? were talking a hefty investment for ONLY 4". Or is your current plotter worn out/un-serviceable? if your current plotter is still in working order then maybe you would be at an advantage to purchase a 30" unit, that will give you even more flexibilty.
PS: if your frteind happens to have mroe good deals on electro pounce machines I am interested in getting one.
Posted by Gene Golden (Member # 3934) on :
Jerry, Always make sure it's grounded. Even if you KNOW it is, make sure again!!! Oooouuuuucccccchhhh!!!!!!! And, IF you draw pencil lines to pounce, it WILL follow the graphite for one nice long ZAPPP! Only once though, but by that time you will have dropped the pounce tip into your lap and flipped over your paint cart...
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
A pounce wheel is certainly "cheaper" ...Gerber gs 15 pounces extremely well... is 100% accurate and allows you to "panel" your patterns up to 100 feet tall and however long you wish to run it.
More than you will ever need I'm sure but it will truly do it.
Hope this helps.
Posted by Jake Lyman (Member # 3280) on :
allen datagraph 830 has a pounce feature and works great, like the sewing machine real accurate.
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
Probably the only feature the Gerber machines have that I prefer is the method of generating pounce paterns with a wheel instead of a bouncing point. I remember them as faster, but it's been years since I've seen one in action.
We have a Graphtec and use the pounce feature regularly and are pleased with it. We can adjust the hole size and spacing to suit our needs, and seldom use our electro punce in the years since purchasing the Graphtec.
Posted by jerry jaran (Member # 524) on :
Hi, Belated again. Out for the weekend. My 20 in. Graphtec I bought in '93 still works fine. I have limited space in my trailer when on the road but I am considering now the 30 in. and it looks like it'll be the Summa. I did'nt know Graphtec had pounce ability.
The man I'm getting the Electro pounce from is Chuck Beauchemin who is profiled in Signcraft this month. He's totally retiring from the sign bus. after 50 yrs. in everything from designing Electric boxes for stores and motels etc. to logo design and handpainted signs. He perfected roller blending for backgrounds and letters making for greatly enhanced signs. His friendliness to me has sustained me a lot over the last 10 yrs as we traded sign pics by mail.
[ September 20, 2004, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: jerry jaran ]
Posted by Latigo St.Marie (Member # 5014) on :
We have 4 plotters, 2 Graphtec, the new Mutoh 48" and of the 4 our old Gerber 750 is the best pounce pattern maker I've ever seen. When the reps from Northwest Sign Supply came to install our new Mutoh printer and plotter they saw our old 750 and asked why we still had it. Dad said it was just for pounce patterns and both of them told us that the "750 has no peer" as a pounce plotter. I know that to be true because our other state of the art plotters can't match the quality of the finished pattern of the 750 pounce wheel. They aslo happened to have one in their warehouse in excellent condition and Dad bought it on the spot. It should be here in another week or so and then we'll have two of them with one for possible parts later down the road. I'm a believer.
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
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[ September 23, 2004, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
I've seen a pounce wheel like OP uses. I've witnessed a Gerber plotter do its pouncing thing. But what's an electric pouncer?
Posted by Gene Golden (Member # 3934) on :
William, I'd LOVE to show you the Electro-Pounce, heh, heh, heh. Basically it was designed by the Marquis deSade. It is a "pencil" with a metal tip with a wire coming out the "eraser" end and attached to a transformer. A back-up sheet of metal is placed behind the paper to be pounced. This sheet is grounded to complete a circuit. When the metal tip approaches the paper, a connection occurs between the tip and the backer. A minute spark ignites the paper and causes a tiny hole... MANY tiny holes as you follow the outline of the letter. Lotsa fun, especially when YOU become the ground!!!
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
How is that better than a traditional pounce wheel? Does it help you follow the lines better or something? How does it make pouncing easier?
Posted by Gene Golden (Member # 3934) on :
William, Absolutely. You are "drawing" with a metal tip instead of trying to maneuver a wheel on a crooked neck. You can modify the size of the holes by flicking the switch to a higher or lower mode. NO NEED to sand the back of ANY pattern ever again!
Posted by fayette pivoda (Member # 4339) on :
My Gerber plotter pounces fine, as does my Grifold hand-wheely-perforator-gizmo, but I prefer the electro pounce because it burns through the paper and leaves a better hole to pounce from. Using it actually goes pretty quick once the pattern is drawn and I find it more accurate to use than the wheeled variety.
I should note too, that I am sure OSHA does not like them being used to light cigarettes, nor be used to indoctrinate young sign-head wannabees.
Posted by William Bass (Member # 4929) on :
Where doth one purchase such a marvel? And how much would one cost (approximately)?
