I don't know about you, but here in Volcano the price of gas is now up to $2.42 per gallon and rising every week. Just got an e-mail from a friend declaring May 19th "Don't Buy Gas Day" in the U.S. The other requests I've received are to quit buying from the large oil companies - buy the cheapest gas you can find. PUHLEEZE . . . this is not intended to start a heated political discussion. It's merely intended as a public service announcement. Buy gas or don't - whatever works for you. Bomba-Dear
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Well, I'll be leaving for Redding tomorrow morning for Cranks Squirrel fry and vehicle artists meet and filling up the tanks as well. Gasoline prices don't bother me as much as my Valiant not running properly, so I'll have to take the van. Last summer gas for my Valiant was at $4.50 gallon and filling a 22 gallon fuel cell twice a week didn't bother me. At least we are all free to either stay on the porch or get out and run with the big dogs, woof woof Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
Jackie,
No politics involved here...I promise. There's been a 30 cent increase in the last month or so and gas is up to $2.07 here, but with the busy summer season coming soon, it'll most likely get higher in price.
As someone mentioned on another post, the rise in gas prices mean additional costs to us as business owners, especially when we travel out to on-site jobs, heat out shops, etc . Althought there are going to be customers who'll complain, increasing you travel charges to keep up with the increased gas prices should be taken into consideration. Down the road, I don't doubt that there will be price increases in many of the materials we use in the sign biz as well. Paint or vinyl, they are all petroleum based products, and producing it is going to cost notably more in the not too distant future.
Truth is, if the prices go much higher...I'm getting a horse and buggy with a paint rack. Rapid
Posted by Alan Ackerson (Member # 3224) on :
We just hit 2 bucks plus per gallon here. Been on the lookout for one of those Fred Flintstone cars or something that runs on vinyl scraps.
Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
I paid $1.98/gallon yesterday but saw it for $1.95 & $2.05 too. Yesterday we hit the $2/gallon mark. No politics here, just wish it would go back down. Love...Jill
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
Oh stop complaining...lol
Imagine paying $4.00 per gallon, that's what we are paying, it is now over $1.00 per litre here in St. John's. And we produce the bloody stuff!
Posted by Stephen Broughton (Member # 2237) on :
Sorry Heads but hopefully this will make you feel better Petrol (gas) is $7.41 a gallon here in the UK, Rip Off Britain about 75% of it goes in tax to our crap government, why do you think our cars are small and do 60 to the gallon? Now where's me push bike Posted by Dale Kerr (Member # 4661) on :
we are paying 3.65 / Gallon here in Ottawa. and 2.64 for diesel....Yowser.
Boy oh Boy you got it good....
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
I don't plan on buying gas tomorrow or this week. Along the same lines, we are already passing our additional fuel costs on to our clients. Heck, our vendors are doing it to us. Have any of you shipped anything lately? The fuel surcharges are getting rediculous. Why should I be the one stuck eating that additional cost?
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by rene st-pierre (Member # 4116) on :
in canada now its 4$ gallon i have speak whit a man he sold gaz an he say at me gaz can cost 4.60$ each gallon in 4 days............bad for me i have 5 school car on road 8h a day......price of driven leason can be up soon c-ya .............ride a bike its less expensive
Posted by Henry Barker (Member # 174) on :
Like Steve Broughton says...you've got it good compared to us here in Europe, we are paying $5.23gallon and I run a Chevy pick-up, V6 minivan, and a diesel Landrover, so our fuel bills are not cheap....and I don't think our income is higher than yours....taxes thats another big issue.
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
It's all relative Neil. I know people in Europe that pay twice what you do and they don't bat an eye either because they have higher incomes to make up for the inflation and taxes.
Anyway, gas prices here are about $2.30-2.40 right now but will be 5-6 cents higher by Friday because the stations raise prices for the californian boaters over the weekends.
Boycotting gas stations is pointless - you have to buy the gas eventually anyway so one day where no one buys gas isn't going to hurt anything - it's only going to make the other days busier at the pump.
It's time for a raise!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
well you can complain all you want and the only place that make a difference is POLITICAL...VOTE FOR A CHANGE IN NOVEMBER. then maybe something different will happen......
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Hahahahaaa....Ol'Paint...wasn't it Kerry who said we should add another 50 cents tax on the price of gasoline?Or has he changed his mind AGAIN ????
[ May 18, 2004, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Si Allen ]
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Joe, I don't very often disagree with you (Yeah right, I don't!! )
But this current increase in petroleum product prices is world wide. I don't see how voting for one or another United States' political party or president is going to change things in the entire world.
Like others have said, this is a VERY good time to raise prices. ALL of our customers know that fuel prices are up and really can't fault us for trying to keep our own businesses profitable by raising prices to cover our own increasing expenses.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
...Ha ha ha.... I'm so darn rich that I can easily afford gas (at any price) for my extended Hummer with oversized tires on it.... Now, I think I'll drive it up to the 7-11 for a pack of cigarettes, a Pepsi and some Ho- hos. Conserving energy is for wussy liberals!
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
First of all OP....you have a short memory, because a few short summers/years ago under your bud Clinton, we had the same issue....gas went up to well over $2 a gallon...I believe at one point it was like $2.50 gallon in the midwest. Remember?????
And Bill Richardson, the energy secretary at the time didn't do squat about it...neither did Clinton. So the blame game over politics is pointless.
Now, the people posting about gas being so high in Europe/ etc doesn't hold water....I would simply ask these questions:
1.) What percentage of the cost of gas in these other countries is taxes? Most socialist governed countries (free healthcare, mandatory 6 weeks vacation for all employees, etc) have to make up for expenses somewhere. It's usually in the cost of everything else such as gas, durable goods, food, etc.
If you feel like you live in a great country because you have free health care...then don't gripe when you pay twice as much for an automobile than Americans....
2.) Let's look at the principles of supply and demand and volume discounting. Would you give a customer a break per banner if he bought 100 banners from you instead of 1 banner? Of course you would.
America is the largest consumer of gas and oil products in the world. Naturally, we should get a break because of the shear dollars of business we do with "gulp" arab nations. Pretty simple principle....it's called quantity discounts.
....America is a relatively open, spread out country where it takes further to get to point B from point A. We drive more, partially because we HAVE to drive more. America dwarfs many other countries geographically. Paying $5 a gallon in Europe doesn't mean as much because their fuel lasts longer because they don't have such great distances to travel, they don't have to fill up as often.
I will concede that Americans love their cars and 99% of the time you see 1 person driving in each vehicle. This is a cultural thing and I don't know really how to address that.
Anyway.....Let's not bring politics into this or I just might have to mention Kerry ragging on Bush about not opening up the Gov't supply to ease prices, even though Clinton didn't do it when his administration faced the same issues AND even though Kerry himself voted 11 times to legislation to INCREASE the cost of gasoline.
Now, if it really bugs anyone that much...they can sell their trucks, and SUV's and buy a Honda Civic Hybrid which gets roughly 58 miles per gallon.
I for one...like my truck and will just have to accept that the arabs are greedy. Personally, I think we should jack up (or with-hold) our food exports to the mideast everytime they jack up the price of crude oil. Wonder how lizards sprinkled with sand taste? Hmmmmmm.
[ May 18, 2004, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Oh, and P.S. to the environmentalist.....I also can't wait until we develop Hyrdogen or alternative fuel source cars which are viable and durable....Oh, to NOT be under the mideasts thumb! That would be a great place to NOT be.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
European gas prices have always been higher then the U.S. and in the middle east the price of hi-test is at 30 cents per gallon as we type. So its all relevant and life goes on. If you truly are bothered on what the prices are, buy a Hybred, ride a moped or a bicycle, walk, jog but whatever ya do, stop friggin whining.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
how many live in places that have OIL WELLS? go out and look..are they operating? NO to most of them. the u.s. oil companies are sittin on there oil till the prices get to $3-4 a gallon and then you watch all these wells that arent workin will be pumpin. its all greed, and i dont care how you say it aint politics, you need to open your eyes. may not be the ones in office but oil lobbyests are workin them!!!! i seem to remember clinton opening the oil reserves....i might be wrong....i think when he did that gas price normalized. as for raising your prices ...sure why not....contribute to the INFLATION... thats why geo 1 didnt get reelected. i still got my 240 4 cyl volvo with 202,000 miles on it, no car payment, and i get 24-27 mpg with it.........hehehehehe
Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
. . . . the "Don't buy gas on the 19th" thing is a joke . . . . . It's like the "No Sunday beer" sellin'..... ...sales of beer increase dramatically in Sat.
One day of refusing to purchase gas would have a "drop in the bucket" affect.
To make a real point, try havin' a large majority of people refuse to purchase any gas for about a month . . . . . .
or let the truckers go on strike . . . .
Since that is not going to happen (anytime soon) I'm afraid what IS going to happen is that someone is going to push the electric car thing, create an electric truck and . . . .
~it's going to take me 45 minutes to drive 8 miles... (God forbid I have a load of lumber or want Air conditioning and a radio . . . or headlights)
~. . . I will need 15 back up batteries
~. . . OSHA will gripe about the enormous chance for acid seepage...
~I would spend more time charging batteries than actually driving and certainly more time driving than actually working . . . .
~the electric company would increase their prices to meet the demand....
However, on the bright side:
~The tree-huggers and coservative wacko's will now be quiet. . .
~The animal right wackos will have less road kill to complain about as the critters will have ample time to move out of my path . . . .
~I will be more physically fit than I have ever been . . . . pushin' that truck back home . . . .
All in all, this outrageous gas price increase is really going to be a boon to the economy, huh?
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
lol Shiela
Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
No politics here, Just kind of useless:
If I avoid buying gas Wednesday, I need to buy iy on Tuesday or Thursday....They loose nothing! Sorry, it's business as usual here.
PS: Good one Shelia (DUDE)!
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Posted by John Largent (Member # 4606) on :
Pick an Administration that could deal with Energy prices, even when they become explosively Inflationary, First they've never been able to control OPEC. Second our Congressmen, especially the Senate (Both sides of the Aisle) refuse to demand anything of either the four oil companies doing business in this country, or of the State Department. This is how they get the millions of dollars in their campaign chests.
On the other hand the Europeans have allowed themselves to become taxed to the bone, because they want socialism in their countries. The government is expected to do everything, and when it does, somebody has to pay. Even in Europe, the government is still the people, and the people pay the bills the people run up!
And next time you buy one of those little diecast cars or anything else made in China, think about it, we're creating another industrial giant, who will compete with the western world for the oil that it takes to run an industrial country, and if everyone in China had a automobile, well, if you think gasoline is high now, just wait!
Bush, Kerry, Nader, none of 'em can change this . . . only supply can make a difference and the oil companies will do whats profitable for them!
Posted by Alan Ackerson (Member # 3224) on :
When a current politician, running in opposition to our current President votes for a 50 cent gas increase and votes 10 times to increase gas prices,that makes me think I will stick with the current one.
Why should the oil companies pump oil that costs $2 a gallon to punp and sell it for $2 a gallon? I wonder why you see so many pumps sitting idle?
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
rov kerry did that 10 yrs ago.....bush didnt show up for air national guard 20 yrs ago....what was then was...and what is now...is the problem.....
Posted by Jean-Claude Theriault (Member # 966) on :
The gas prices mean I've parked my car and only use it when necessary. Some suppliers will deliver and if not then its cheaper for me to pay one of the local courier services to deliver the stuff for me. My insurance co. gave me a 30% discount for declaring this
For sales calls and errands I've started using the transit system - $57 a month gives unlimited rides on the buses and harbour ferries. I'm home-based so I don't mind spending a bit more time outside while getting to my destination.
Gas prices in Halifax at supper time were: 99.9 cents per L for regular, 103.9 for mid-grade, 106.9 for premium! (multiply by 4 to get a gallon)
Posted by E. Balch (Member # 3545) on :
I've been driving my diesel VW Passat. It's a nice car that gets 40-50 mpg. I fill it up every 3 weeks. Diesel is only $1.76 but if it gets expensive I can make bio diesel from used french fry grease that I get for free.
In the winter I heat the house with free wood from the town road crew.
Ya got to live cheap so ya can pay the NY property taxes that just went up again!!
ernie
Posted by Jackie B (Member # 186) on :
It all boils down to Supply & Demand - As long as the consumer is willing to pay, the prices will go up. SUV's have become quite popular - and they're gas guzzlers. After reading the CNN article posted above, I was shocked to find out the fuel economy was close to the last thing people consider when purchasing a car. So do we really have a right to complain? The other day a young gal who bought a Nissan Xterra said she only gets 15 miles to the gallon. She's trading it in. How much we use our cars is another issue. We're such a "comfortable" nation and do things with little thought to the overall outcome of our actions. I agree that by not buying gas on one day may not leave much of a mark - but it may get a message across. Whether they listen or not is another issue. I live in a mountainous area where the closest town is 15 miles away - a 30 mile round trip for even just a gallon of milk. Heaven forbid if I lived just 2 minutes away from a 7/11 store. I could pop in any old time to pick up one item. It's become just too easy for us to do that. But little things can make a difference: Carpool Pack a lunch instead of driving to eat out. Find a nice park to walk to to eat at. Riding a bicycle. Taking the bus. Asking your neighbors if they need anything at the store when you are going. Or take them with you to do their big shopping. Do ALL your shopping on one day, eliminating short trips - make it the same day you have to see the Doc or the Vet, etc. It's killing me to have to drive 40 miles each way to physical therapy 3 times a week. But the gas is about 20 cents cheaper there, so I fill up after my PT - at the cheapest station in that town. And I do my grocery shopping at the same time with a few neighbors coolers in the back to keep their orders cold. Business owners have little choice - the business must deliver and use an appropriate vehicle to deliver. But at home, it really will make a difference if the usage of gas (demand) slows down. Businesses will be using approximately the same amount, ie., no increase in demand. By the way, my Subaru get's 30-34 mpg. Bless it's soul! But my next car will get even better gas mileage - it's the FIRST thing I'll be considering. We've non-op'd hubby's big gas guzzling V-8 pick-up for awhile. And we use his little Geo, 40-50mpg, on weekends when he's home. Just a few minor changes can make a difference - even if it's just one. Bomba-Dear
Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
The word here is "fabrication." Yes there is plenty demand for oil and gas, but production is there right along. The recovery definately spurs the need for more oil, but producers have said they will provide it. Now here's the funny side of this and anybody who knows anything about the oil business will tell you that when prices are up and the demand is up, the big oil companies will be drilling like crazy. The deal is that they are not. They are stacking rigs. That does not make sense unless they know that this is a politically caused increase. Everybody faults big oil for every penny rise, and big oil will gladly take the penny. The real truth is that big oil make a hell of a lot more money when the prices are down and they can run their refineries to make finished product that bring a hell of a lot more money then crude, heating oil and gasoline. Yep that's right, they would love to make enough gas to sell it at a buck a gallon, because they would have all the other products to sell for a hell of a lot better profit. 28 years in the oilfields have shown me that goverments and ploitics cause these rises and falls. It may not be the government in power that causes it, either. So for all you Kerry lovers out there, get ready because if you get what you want, you need a hell of a lot more to survive the drive.
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
I've been driving my old little nissan 240sx instead of the Durango. Partly because it gets like 30 mpg and partly cause I hate the durango. I had to take ladders with me today, so I had to use the durango and gas was $1.95/gallon.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Chris....a timely post. I was half considering a Durango and decided against it recently...glad to hear someone back that decision up.
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
Todd, it's not a bad vehicle, depending on what you need it for.
I'm a pick-up kinda girl, always have been. If I had the durango & a truck, I wouldn't hate the durango like I do. You can't put 4x8s in it and I know I'd destroy the body on it if I put them on the roof rack then tried to unload them myself. (I'm 5'2, I need a ladder to see the roof racks) Everytime I drive it, I hate it more and more because I think about all the things a truck could do that this can't.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
I hear you. That's one reason I decided not to go for it with the Durango. I have an '02 Chevy Silverado Z71 now....and have decided to sell it in favor of the same truck, but the new Crew Cab model...more room for the kids, etc
Plus, the extended cab configuration squeeks and rattles like you can't believe where the batwing doors come together. There's no "pillar" between the doors and I think the truck flexes too much. Anyway, it's driving me absolutely bananas...
Posted by Stephen Broughton (Member # 2237) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike Pipes: It's all relative Neil. I know people in Europe that pay twice what you do and they don't bat an eye either because they have higher incomes to make up for the inflation and taxes.
Higher incomes!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTHLMFAO
Sorry Mike here's a little info on our taxes, currently on domestic electricity we pay 5% in tax but on Petrol we pay 340% tax yes thats right 340% on top of production costs and profits to the oil companies, tell you what mate lets swap for a year and see who's got money left at the end of the year.
To John Largent, please don't lump Great Britain in with Europe when you mention them, we aren't euorpean theres 22 miles of very cold north sea between us and them seriously "Socilaist Government" please! we haven't had one of those for about 35 years
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Posted by TransLab (Member # 470) on :
The more I look at gas pumps at 107.6 per litre the more I love my VW Jetta diesel...
Why is it that you can buy a jeep cherokee in europe with a fuel efficient 2.2l diesel but not in north america.
Average vehicle sold in North America is actually less fuel efficient than vehicles produced in early '70s ... why is that?
And at the risk of getting political I'll state that I firmly believe that Americas involvement in Iraq has more to do with maintaining control (and high prices) of 1/3 of the worlds proven oil reserves than it has to do with fighting terrorism.
Posted by Rovelle W. Gratz (Member # 4404) on :
$1.20 one local station...most in $1.75 range for regular. I drive a Dodge Ram Quad cab with a 5.9 Liter V8 and a Lincoln Town Car...I'm probably not your typical tree hugger's favorite person.
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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
You're so bad Rove but yet can't compete with my 5 registered and insured vehicles and I drive them all when I feel like. 72 Cortez 455 Olds front wheel drive motorcoach, 80 Mercedes 450SE gas V8, 72 Plymouth S/W which holds 4x8's, 88 Astrovan and my baby 64 Plymouth Valiant 340 roller motor street racer which runs 114 octane and costs over 100 bucks to fill the 22 gallon fuel cell.
Americas first love is the automobile, guess thats why I'm a pinstriper Posted by Rovelle W. Gratz (Member # 4404) on :
You're bad Joey...my neighbor burns high octane in all his vehicles, none of which need it. I mean his lawn mower weed eater blower tiller and all. Can't convince him he's throwing money away.
Posted by Darryl Gomes (Member # 98) on :
I found a web site that has plans to make a hydrogen generator for your car. It makes hydrogen out of water and injects it into the breather box. Says you should see up to a 50% increase in mileage.
I know a lot of you are very multi talented, maybe you can give some advise or suggestions on building one of these.
**Edit** I think I will start a new post for this..
Darryl
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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Mike, most of the time I'm in agreement with you...but on your last post we part ways.
C'mon man, that's harsh...and maybe a little bit of a conspiracy theory. When gas prices were high under Clinton, we weren't "at war"...so I don't think there's much merit to that theory.
Besides, why would they want to keep prices high? It means people don't drive quite as much...I know that I think twice before taking a frivolous drive.
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Be thankful you're car doesn't run on "after shave" or worse yet "perfume" (price per ounce)
We've had good way too long ...it has to catch up with us sooner or later...besides now you can raise your prices and have a good excuse.
And if you think I'm happy about this ...you're wrong...just like you I'm trying to adjust!
Posted by Stephen Broughton (Member # 2237) on :
or beer Monte that would cost me £18 a gallon Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
That's one way to look at it Monte, or another is that they, (Europeans) have had it bad for so long and now we are joining their plight. Too bad it isn't the other way around and they would get our prices. Markets fluctuate and who is to say this isn't only temporary. I wish people would save their outrages for bigger problems that we can influence, but hey, that's the way it is.
Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
How about this...
With the current price of gasoline and the average of 25,000 miles a year on my 6 cylinder Ford Ranger truck, it's going to cost over $5000.00 in gas to drive it. That's one third the purchase price fot the truck when I bought it off the lot.
Ford created an electric powered Ranger a few years ago in response to the possibility of tightened air pollution standards that were being considered in California at that time. 1500 of them were produced and leased to private citizens. A recent news report I saw showed that Ford is now pressuring the people who have these trucks to neither sell nor buy them, but to return them to Ford....so they can be destroyed.
Politics aren't the issue here...greed and power are the real stakes here.
The big car companies keep shunting out newer, more fuel efficent technologies based on one premise... "It's not a profitable market yet."
No, it's not profitable yet, but sooner or later, it'll come. Oil, although bountiful in the middle east these days, is a FINITE resource. Sooner or later, it's going to run out and the car companies are going to need someone else to get in bed with for the almighty dollar...because the well will have run dry.
We tend to be a reaction based country, and only get things done when the !@%&* hits the fan.
Thirty years ago we were looking at the same sitiation...how long before we learn from the past. Rapid
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Ray, you must be too far up north, Both Toyota and Honda sell Hybrid vehicles, meaning both gas and electric in one. The Toyota Prius was voted car of the year somewhere, its a nice looking 4 door and you can't hear a thing when started, not even at 75 mph when I drove one. Toyota also has an SUV coming by September. GM now has Hybrid buses and is selling them to cities in almost every state as we type. Theres so much going on in the vehicle world it would make your head spin.
Posted by Steve Burke (Member # 2674) on :
I think what gets lost in our outrage is the government taxes. Companies are OBVIOUSLY out to make money, and as much as we know we are gouging us, the thing that rankles me is that for example, in Nova Scotia we pay around 45 cents PER LITER in taxes, or essentially 45%tax rate. imagine if we paid 45% taxes on anything else (besides income of course). THAT is what we need to get upset about!!!
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Joey - Don't be totally fooled by the wild mileage statements Hybrid manufacturers are making. Yes, they DO give better mileage...but check out this link for a Consumer's Reports look at the false EPA mileage estimates these folks are posting.
What really pi$$es me off is that we have four refineries within 25 miles of us and we are paying $2.29+ a gallon. My folks live in Astoria, Oregon and usually gas is a few cents higher there because its farther to truck it in. Mothers Day I was down there and gas was as cheap or cheaper than it is here-go figure-can you say price gouging? Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
I've got a thirsty V10 F250 that gets 10 mpg when I tip toe on the hammer. The pump's auto shut off at $50 bucks is a real pizzer. My 25 gal tank is only 3/4 full requiring another transaction or getting me back to the pump in two days instead of 3.
What a waste of time.....Anyway, God put enough fuel under ground for thousands of years and I intend to get my share. HAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by John Largent (Member # 4606) on :
Santo gets it, I get it, what happened to the rest of you? It's a politically caused fuel shortage . . . The Dems want Bush to look bad at election time, the Bushies are ****ed because Congress, more specifically the Senate, dissed his Energy bill last year and tabled it.
The treehuggers won't let the ohl companies build new modern refineries, cause they might pollute something. But I've noticed a dearth of Treehuggers driving SUVs with Bicycles or Kayaks on top, complete with bumper stickers. And everytime you see Kerry going somewhere, its in a Suburban! Notice?
And those damned reindeer, they don't care, there's more of 'em on the north slope now than there ever was before they started drilling up there. Why ANWAR? It'll help amortize and add life to the pipeline from Valdez to the North Slope. That was an expensive deal! Still political!
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