It has been many years since using red stabilo marker for layout lines. Always very hard to clean off aluminum,etc. Thought I'd give a try again.Same clean off problem, using all types of standard cleaners.The only thing I know of is Lac. thinner. Do not like the effect on aluminum finish,an think it will effect vinyl letters. Red seems to show thru the appl. tape real well, an seems to lay down well on the sign finish. Any Heads out there no of a proven cleaner, or alt. marking layout pencil of color? Thank U...
Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
Did you try the rapid prep? Think I use prep, maybe it's the tac.
Posted by R T Thomas (Member # 355) on :
Kent,
Monte Jumper turned me on to something you might like to try. It's called a "Sign Pen" and it's made by Pentel. They come in assorted colors and will wipe off most anything with water or app fluid. Beware, some colors will show though vinyl. The ochre one seems to show up "less" in most instances. I order them through a local office supply store a dozen at a time. They come in real handy.
As Monte would say: Werks for me, it'll werk for you.
Hope this helps,
R.T.
Posted by Jillbeans (Member # 1912) on :
Kent, I have only used red Stabilo once in my life, and once was enough. Black is just as bad as red. Try Clorox Clean Up (spray it onto an old T-Shirt or dishcloth) and use it to remove the lines. I am seriously considering looking up some charcoal sticks, because nearly every Stabilo color leaves a slight stain (except for white) Good luck. Love...Jill
Posted by Bill Cosharek (Member # 1274) on :
About the only thing I use red for is marking on glass/windows. On any other surface, I prefer to use either blue or white. Those 2 colors seem to wipe off the easiest. But don't let them bake in sunlight. If you do, then you'll need to use something abrasive to clean it off. Sometimes toothpaste is all that's needed. That way you get a fresh minty smelling sign for those times when someone just HAS to stick there nose that close. What did Mike Jackson say? But most times a faint line isn't objectionable. That all depends where the sign goes and what message it conveys. Incidentally when marking on glass, don't paint or apply over marks. That's definitely a no-no.
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
White and blue seem to be easy to wipe off! All the rest are a bitch to remove!
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
I find the red comes off real easy with Bon Ami
Posted by Myra Grozinger (Member # 327) on :
I'm with Si all the way on this one
Posted by James Donahue (Member # 3624) on :
I'm real tired of having bkg paint turn chalky, run down the sign, ESPECIALLY where there's a reverse panel, there they are, the white streaks.
So.... I've been pouring OS hardener into my bkg enamel. Man what a finish. (I know someone said paint might not stick too well over it, but I'm not waiting long to letter)
And here's a side effect: it SEEMS LIKE the stabillo lines wipe off easier. Might just be my imagination.
Posted by Tim (Member # 1699) on :
I found out early on, that the Stabillo brand is terrible for leaving marks behind. I have been using the Staedler Omnichrome brand for the last 10 years with much better results. Only stains a substrate if left on for a week or more it seems.
Posted by Greg McRoberts (Member # 3501) on :
I use black Stabillos (lightly) all the time on most of my painted surface jobs, and I've found that simple alcohol wipes it right off. I can't say anything about other surfaces.
Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
I use China Markers. Just don't press down real hrd when you drawing things out.
Rub the lines off with you fingertip.
Rapid
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Put me with the Bon Ami crowd for clean up. Recently coated surfaces, though feel dry, are harder to remove stabillo lines. Light pressure on the blue and remove soon after. Pentel pens are good too.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Who would want to use a seasonal pencil that only works when weather permits? 1/2 the time you can't even get a real point on the end, Stabillo is another product living on reputation and there are better products out there.
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
So Joey, what's the better product that you reccommend? I don't use red Stabilos anymore for the reason mentioned. I would try rapid prep or remover to get it off.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
220 grit works well to remove red stabilo. Posted by Sheila Ferrell (Member # 3741) on :
Grease pencils.
The lines can be completely removed with mineral spirits. They are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find now. I'm not real sure WHAT the name is because most of the ones I have are so short. They are commonly called "china markers" and I think they might have been made by Stabillo.
I only use them in purple (on lite-coloured backgrounds) and white (dark backgrounds). I used to get 'em at any office supply joint.
I would welcome other types or ideas for where to find these too.
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
I've always used orange China Markers because it will show up on anything (except orange). Wipes off easily with thinner or alcohol.
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
The ones I use the most are green Vis-à-Vis fine point waterbase overhead projector pens made by Sanford. A package of several colors is about five bucks at Office Depot. They wipe off easily with a damp rag.
I like the green the best and did an internet search and bought a couple dozen green ones. Ironically, after searching all over the internet, the mail order house I bought them from was five miles away. They were cheaper mail order than I could pick them up there.
Edited to add:
Since I'm posting right behind Raymond, insert hand lettering joke <HERE>.
[ May 13, 2004, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: David Harding ]
Posted by Rich Stebbing (Member # 368) on :
Toothpaste will do it! Blue,White, and Orange are the "easy-off" of Stabilo's.
Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
ALCOHOL!
I figure 1/2 pint of Johnny Walker RED works best (after consumption) for "spitting" on substrates
hope this(hic)helps
Posted by Jeff Ogden (Member # 3184) on :
I'm with both Ray's...China markers work best for me, orange and white. Easily removed with just a little mineral spirits on a rag.
Stabilos do not work well on Florida.. they melt from the heat. I have picked a stabilo up from my box and found a hollow wooden tube, with a red puddle in the tray. Ugh !
Posted by Roy Frisby (Member # 736) on :
I'll never forget the time I had a red china marker in my sign kit on a hot summer day. I opened the kit to get out the china marker and there was this little puddle of wax and a hollow pencil body. The marker was totally empty.
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