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CBS said in a statement last night after thier appology that MTV will never do a half time show for the superbowl again

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Of course CBS didn't mention that they are both owned by Viacom.
 

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Posted by Jon Aston (Member # 1725) on :
 
Personally, I'm not offended by boobs or gyrations or farts (at a great distance).

What I find offensive is the Entertainment* machine...or perhaps more accurately: society's seemingly insatiable desire to be entertained.

*Sports has simply become a footnote
 

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Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
 
nothing bothered me! did ya really see janets nipple hair or what? give it a rest it's just showbiz....you people are way too serious. and the horse farting commercial was clearly the best!
 

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Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
 
Karyn,

You crack me up! I liked the donkey commercial myself!
 

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Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
 
Yes Karyn,

That horse commercial was clearly the best, but I do disagree with you that people are way too serious, I think they should get more serious and ****ed off too. There is a time and a place for everything, this clearly was neither for that show. But then again thats just the media's way of de-sensitising us to accept all this drivel they shove at us. Do you honestly think your grandparents would accept half the crap we see today? hardly.

Hey a little nipple at the Super Bowl....no biggie right? maybe next year we can see a little butt crack...then in 2006 a nude caberet!

hahahaa I can laugh cuz I see it coming, this is the only thing I can do is turn it off. Ahh the power of the off button.
 

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Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
 
Statement released says that it was totally unintentional and accidental. Which leaves the question....Janet Jackson wears pasties under her clothes???
 

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Posted by Matty McQuilkin (Member # 4156) on :
 
Have to say I dint notice any thing different than what I would expect from the music industry. Dint bother me at all I liked the Bud lite add with the 2 dogs.

By the way the Cheer leaders showed more cleavage and leg than Janet. Ohh I dint even notice Justin.

[ February 02, 2004, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: Matty McQuilkin ]
 

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Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
 
LOL Don!

I was flippin channels last night during dinner and came across the half-time show. It was Nelly and P Diddly-for-a-career at the time.

These entertainers are SO lousy, they can't even lipsynch to their own songs!!

I watched til Kid Rock came on stage, I guess out of sheer curiosity.. but when he came out wearing a US flag, "singing" to that piece of crap they call a song that's what, 6 years old now? I had to turn it off.

Of course, it's not like any other networks had anything worth watching either. Fox was airing their old stand-by movie, Independence Day. NBC was running a Queer Eye marathon - that show is fine for about a half hour but beyond that it's just 5 sarcasta-bitches cackling at each other discussing things that have no bearing on life. I don't know how anyone could handle a couple hours of that.

Then to make things even worse, the news in Phoenix broke in to alert everyone that the prison standoff was over. Of course they spent a half hour repeating the same information over and over and babbling on about nothing and providing no real information whatsoever. Yeah that's great the standoff is over with but dangit, I was watching Dateline!!

Glad I rented a couple movies last night.
 

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Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
 
Big deal, Janet flashed a mamo gland. So now we can all expect paradies of this move for the next 6 months. I'm just wondering who talked Janet into performing this move.
 

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Posted by Jane Diaz (Member # 595) on :
 
IF someone want to go to mardi gras and flash their boobs, go for it! If people like to hang out at stripper bars, have at it! What I had a problem with last night was doing the show they did on national TV during prime time, on one of the shows that is viewed by the most people in the USA. The average person watching that last night did not expect to have to explain to their 4 year old why Justin was rubbing his crouch into Janet's rear end and why those girls were pulling their clothes off. Children, little CHILDREN are also watching!! Why is it NECESSARY to have something so racey, crude and just generally in bad taste? The other end of this arguement was I went to visit my mother in the nursing home yesterday and some of those older people there were looking forward to watching the game. These are the same people that were shocked by Elvis shaking his pelvis and the Beatle's long hair!! Although that image of their shock of seeing that half time show was probably not as troubling to me, it is just a matter of what you EXPECT the Superbowl entertainment to be.
I think last night was a turning point. I'm sure it was meant to have shock value, obviously, but THAT was not the place for it! It's just like Steve says about swearing on this board. There is a time and place for swearing and at a certain point, people need to show some restraint! I can swear a blue streak with the best of them, but I don't do it when I giving a demonstration for the Junior High School or visiting my elderly relatives. It's just a matter of everything having a right time and place.
....just my humble opinion.

[ February 02, 2004, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Jane Diaz ]
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
There's a principle here....like what was mentioned, a lot of young kids were watching this show. I personally don't want my kids first view of the female anatomy shoved, unapproved into his face by some skanky west coast "ho".

Next thing you know, they'll be showing Janet Jackson doing a horse in a Bud Light commercial.

They ought to have her as a special guest on "Fear Factor"....you know, whoever can stand to stare at her gnarled up, pierced nipple the longest wins the $50,000 prize.

For those of you who didn't see the nipple shot, and figure it was a long camera shot....here it is on a link for you.

Make your decision as to whether you think this was an "accident" as she and Timberlake claim.

I personally think they are spoiled, marginally talented low-lifes that have trouble differentiating the truth from a lie.

Isn't it curious how "CRAP" and "RAP" rhyme?


Edit: Oh, and the prase "Stand up for something, or you'll fall for anything" comes to mind.

www.drudgereport.com

[ February 02, 2004, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
 

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Posted by Bob Burns (Member # 268) on :
 
As far as Janet goes......ya seen one....ya seen em both!
Well, theyve OKd the F word.....we already got the Osbournes and MTV.....camel toes....now Janet.....what's next......live forno/porno!?
Theyll probably dub in the Fword to JUNE CLEAVER's script!! hahahahaha
 

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Posted by Chris Lovelady (Member # 2540) on :
 
dam,

i didn't get to watch it...i missed all the excitment. can you see clips someware?


wow free porn...what is this world coming to.

chris
 

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Posted by Mark Rogan (Member # 3678) on :
 
Click only if you won't be offended.

http://www.offtop.com/misc/janet.gif
 

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Posted by Steve Racz (Member # 4376) on :
 
A couple of thoughts / opinions...
1. Nellie constantly grabbing his crotch was much more "offensive" to me than Janet's breast. What's up with the crotch grabbing stuff anyway - I guess Michael Jackson started that???
2. We are still so weird / prudish in this country about nudity - like seeing a bare breast will tarnish our kids forever. However we have no problem showing all kinds of gratuitous violence in our entertainment (it's just an opinion so don't flame too hard... .
3. Glad someone else notice the incongruity between the "wardrobe accident" comment by Timberlake and the fact that Janet was wearing a pastie...

Overall, really bad halftime entertainment.

Great game though!
 

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Posted by Kathy Joiner (Member # 1814) on :
 
Well put Jane!

I think I know where Curtis is coming from. I am imagining that he and his two young son's were watching together. For those of you who don't know Curtis, he is a serious father. The proof is in the pudding, his boys are fine young fellows.

The super bowl is the most watched event of the year, and of course is a family event in many homes. I cringe at the thought that my grand-daughters, 15 and 12 would perceive this as "normal" behavior.

For adults, well this should not be a shocker. If it is, what world are we in anyway? Or perhaps I am becoming accustomed to shock as I live in the same Parish as Britney Spears! Thank Goodness my girls call her "Slut Puppy."

Edited to keep God out of last sentence, He doesn't approve of name calling!

[ February 02, 2004, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: Kathy Joiner ]
 

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Posted by Bill Diaz (Member # 2549) on :
 
Maybe brother Michael was in on this! You ever notice how short Michael Jackson's pants are? You know why that is?

They're not his pants!


I guess when you have parents who would allow their kids to spend a night at someone's home and then are surprised that they would crawl in the same bed with a strange adult man, but then figure since it's a famous man it's probably O.K., then we shouldn't be surprised by anything this guy's sister is going to do. There's some weirdness out there. How about all those erectile disfunction commercials? And Richard what's his face parading around in his birthday suit on the new Survivor.

The producers are saying, "Hey, sex sells! PORN, PORN and more PORN!" And if that doesn't get 'em let's watch people eat some worms! It's been a long winter and I feel like bitchin'!
 

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Posted by James Donahue (Member # 3624) on :
 
In the book of proverbs, it says: "A child left to himself brings his mother to shame." Children don't just exist for awhile, then become the people our world needs. Their life needs to be stuctured, some things deliberatly brought in, others sternly kept out.
The physical attraction between men and women is so strong, that if children are introduced to this too early, they'll be so distracted and pre-occupied that it will hinder their developement in some other area.

The world is complex. I'm attempting to teach my children to be artisans, craftsmen,(and women), to learn logic, history, science, academics, politics, finances, and spiritual matters. I don't have time for this other nonsense.

Children come from the "factory" knowing how to steal, cheat, lie, and be cruel. My job is to try and teach them the opposite. It makes no sense at all to have a strong influence in the house working against me. Man, that should be so OBVIOUS! The job is really hard enough as it is.

For that reason, we don't watch television in our house. The kids aren't deprived either. Saturday night we watched a video about the bus boycott started by Rosa Parks. The kids soaked it up, seriously, because they're not distracted by a bunch of other trash shows. As soon as the show was over, we had a big discussion about racism, politics and more.

If you say that children should be able to watch this sludge, then let's take this to it's conclusion: where do you draw the line? Surely you draw it SOMEWHERE! Maybe snuff flicks? Kiddie porn? I'm curious.
 

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Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
 
I spent the day at my favorite watering hole, and when Justin pulled the yank on Janet, the reaction from most of the crowd was not one of disbelief or offence, but of ridiculousness. It was generally taken as a "shock jock" tactic and really demeaned the entire halftime show. Quite possibly the most usless act ever done on television and immediately forgettable.

Today, CBS and Janet Jackson are getting a lot of press, nearly as much as the game itself has. That was the intent and it worked. Hopefully, it will pass as quickly as it happened.

The "farting" ad was by far the laugh getter of the day, but I was equally impressed with the ads for the very cool new Ford GT and Seirra Mist. Also, the Budweiser commercial with the referee getting yelled at the game and at home was hilarious.

...and the game was a real cliffhanger, too. One of the best Super Bowl games ever played.
CONGRATS, PATS!

Rapid
 

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Posted by Corey Wine (Member # 1640) on :
 
I watched the game but not the Half Time Show.
This morning on the lesses sensored Canadian news, they mentioned how CBS wanted to apologieze for THE SHOT WE ARE ABOUT TO SHOW YOU.....and then they showed it UNCENSORED, about 10 seconds later, theey showed a slow mo of it and sensored it. Is there a difference between looking at boob in slow mo or real time?????????

I love Canadian TV. Hell, they play the Sopranos and The Ozborns COMPLETELY UNCUT on the local network (they just have to have 2 minutes of warnings after each commercial break.
 

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Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
 
Not that I think anything will happen, but, the fcc is starting an investigation.
There's already info on the http://www.fcc.gov/ web site.

Havin' fun,

Checkers
 

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Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
 
Bus boycott movie? Wish my parents had allowed me to have that kinda fun.
 

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Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
 
Thank you kathy.

Thats exactly what happened. Sitting ther with my 15 yr old and watching a ho' and the other pervs.
If any one did that in public here in front of kids,, I would be the first one to arrest them.

Fondling and displaying in public in front of kids just isn't appropriate.

I know there will be public calls for boycotts and whatever. However, I personaly will not support anything that has anything to do with any of them.

Hip Hop slut and perv show is proof there is no talent in it. They have to use skin and perversion to get attention.

I guess my outrage was well placed. I posted late last night long before any news agency reported teh perv fest and today the entire country is ****ed.
 

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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
i refused to watch the superbowl....because CBS refused to run the MOVE-ON.ORG political commercial, which i felt was blaten political censorship!!!! and then for them to let a display of this type go on as their "coup degras" half time extravaganza......is just showin me the depth of ignorance that the media has come to. which brings me to think that "they" would rather take the flack for this display of stupid....then to air something of truth. so now we have a moral issue on monday rather then a people talkin about the direction of our country. funny how and what gets to be seen.........by the masses.....hummmmmmmm

[ February 02, 2004, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
 

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Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
 
Don, there's a few terms for the woman who wears pasties under her clothes as a normal everyday item. But, I think I'd be censored.

Really doesn't surprise me that Janet would pull a stunt like this. Maybe she'll throw some money to people & it'll be ignored just like her brother's repeated molestations. Honestly, how can anything from this family surprise you anymore? The only surprise to me would be if Michael molestated a little girl instead of just little boys.

Todd, that skanky west coast ho comment hit the nail on the head. Aren't your boys suppost to have their first viewing of the female anatomy from reading the magazines hidden in your underwear drawer like you did?
 

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Posted by Mike Lavallee (Member # 320) on :
 
LOL don! hahahahahahahaha I was thinking the same thing. maybe a movie on the many uses for the common soybean. c'mon saturday night! it's gonna be a HOT one!
 

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Posted by Tony B (Member # 935) on :
 
I think the halftime show was the worst one I've seen. It sucked. Bad enough that the rappers were lip syncing, but they even sucked at that too. It seems that the record companies sign anything that walks in the door. Alot of the rap stuff sounds like it was recorded in a bedroom studio with idiots at the controls saying "yea that sounds good".

I can imagine how the lyrics look written on the inside of the cd cover:

"Uuh, Uhh, Uhh, Yea, Yea, Uhh, Uhh
Yea Yea, You know what I'm sayin."

Real talent these days.

As for Janet, can't see what she was doing on there anyway, the songs she "lip synced" to were quite a few years old.

I guess when your career is all but over, I guess that's the way to revive it is to play the stripper role.
 

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Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
 
Brian and OP - nice shots! I knew MoveOn has been trying for equal time, but I did not watch the show. I was working out in the yard and every once in a while a loud Huzzah! would arise from every other living room around me - I figured "Hmm, Must be a Britney Spears commercial". Little did I realize Janet was jealous of her brother's recent air time - boy, talk about a dead career.

Bob - my favorite all time line from the Leave It To Beaver show was "Ward - I think we'll have to spank the Beaver tonight."

Ray - demean a half-time show? Are you saying jam could get any stickier than it is?
 

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Posted by Jane Diaz (Member # 595) on :
 
Isn't it sad though. The game itself was great! It was well played and hard fought to the last seconds!
But all that crotch-grabbing, boob-pulling, butt-gyrating were totally out of place and I can't really say I was offended, just annoyed! I found myself asking, "Why are they doing this!?" Obviously, the answer was shock value but even thought people are all talking about it around the water coolers this morning, I don't think it is in a positive sense. I guess I want more shows to have a POSITIVE purpose. I DON'T want to watch people degrade other people, make them eat bugs, fart in their faces, sic their dog on their crouch or just generally hurt other people "for fun"! Other years, when we and our friends have gotten together for the Superbowl, we had fun laughing at the commercials and enjoying Bud frogs, the game & the half-time show. This year was a real disappointment for me. The MTV crowd might have liked it, but I think that even the network bigwigs know they went too far and now the investigations start!
Having said that, I can read over this response and say, "I sound just like my parents!" And although on the surface, that might sound like a bad thing, I'm not sure that a little more of my parents' values couldn't solve alot of our problems in this world! My parents were honest, sincere and believed that you should treat your fellow man with respect and care about him. I would rather be like that, than model my behavior after some of the crap I see on MTV.
....again, just my humble opinion.
 

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Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
 
On the flip side, Josh and Beyonce did a terrific job, don'cha think? I was moved by both of those performances.

Kept waiting for Janet and Justine to show some of their talent, (they do have some), but seems they're intent was more on exploiting the super bowl airtime to make headlines for themselves. I think some celebs (especially Brittany) become whores for attention. The thought crossed my mind that Justine may have been trying to top "that kiss" for attention.

Now Kid Rock ... what does anyone see in that guy I just don't get it.

I really enjoy well choriographed dancing and singing. I'm not put off by nudity, and sensuous dancing, if it's done well, and in the appropriate setting. That halftime display was inappropriate and disappointing.
 

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Posted by Robert Larkham (Member # 2913) on :
 
Just to let you all no. JT and his band mates made 96 million dollars last year and his ex-pig girlfriend Britney made between 50 and 60 mill. What does that tell our kids.....Schitt sells!!!
 

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Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
 
Ignorance = believing moveon had any attention of paying to have that commercial run.
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
Kissy, they were actually National Geographic African tribal women, and they were in the school library. I'm lucky I wasn't permantly affected from those nasty sights...

Faces that looked like sun dried prunes, teeth rotted beyond imagination and pancake flat drooping....well you get the picture.

But really, OP..hehehe..MoveOn.org??? You're kidding right? You can't claim political censorship for a group of mean-spirited radicals.

Comparing Bush to Adolph Hitler shows just how morally bankrupt and hateful that group is. I'm not a Clinton fan, but I wouldn't even say that about him.

Robert - you hit the nail on the head. The dumbing down of America is evident in a lot of the crap that infiltrates our kids minds through music and the media. Thanks MTV.
 

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Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
 
Nettie,

The was some upside in the pregame show. I especially like watching Aerosmith NOT dub their stuff in a live performance. (Willie Nelson was dubbing his songs just prior...and it was very noticable.)
Beyonce's rendition of the Natiional Anthem was terrific and recieved a lot of applause where I was sitting.

Also, check this link out for info on the commercials...and view them if you missed them yesterday!

SUPERBOWL ADS.COM

Rapid
 

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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
 
Is the dredging of America like putting signs into hands of a computer nerd?

During the 1/2 time show which I call intermission, my gal and I were featured in our own X-rated show, anyone want the CD?
 

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Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
 
Joey, You crack me up too!! But NO, I don't want the CD! HE HE!
 

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Posted by Bill Diaz (Member # 2549) on :
 
Don't need a copy of your cd, Joey. It's available for download on nakednews.com for our viewing pleasure. Didn't think you'd be into the weird stuff with those creatures. You must have had an awful childhood.
 

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Posted by James Donahue (Member # 3624) on :
 
People need to think about more than the desensitization (sp?) from watching modern television and movies. There's another aspect that I've become aware of.

It can separate you from reality. If you watch those car chase scenes, shootouts, man-meets woman scenes, it's so excitng that ordinary life seems boring. But all that stuff is a lie, people don't live like that, not for long anyway. I've been off TV for about 14 years, and I wouldn't go back. I now have a much fuller appreciation of things around me. If you're drinking that TV stuff in, you will probably not fully understand what I'm saying, but I'll try.

TV shows are to reality what styrofoam is to food. Not alot of nutrition there folks. I study all kinds of stuff. One that comes to mind is metal working. To learn it's role in the forming civilization, to get awe and joy in seeing the combination of function, strength, and art in ornamental iron work. Top it off by the fact that I get to work it myself in my own forge.

I now have more time for self improvement, to better serve others. I can be sure I'm voting for the right people and supporting the right causes. This is living. Watching TV is watching other peoples lives.

We are surrounded by all kinds of drama, struggle and triumph, but people would rather watch the fake stuff, go figure. Take this movie about Rosa Parks and the bus boycott, for instance. A well made movie. What started as a one day boycott ended up being about 380 days. There was all kinds of emotion there. Folks Harrassed and jailed by the police for no real reason. A black man had his house burned down, and had to watch as the fire department leaned on their truck. He was struggling real hard to stay non-violent. I don't know that I could have. It followed the rise of Martin Luther King Jr. A good enjoyable FACTUAL movie.

Maybe I can help the letterheads out there get an understanding of what I'm saying with this: Think of how incredible this trade can be at times. You study typography, color and illustration, then use it continually changing ways. Some days you do carving, maybe some custom airbrush work. It's just fascinating to figure out the right combination of design and materials for some jobs.

Now imagine if every subject in your world were this interesting. I gotta tell ya folks, I'm not the one that's bored here. (If anything, I have the opposite problem, too many projects and hobbies.)
 

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Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
 
Joey....would you send me a copy of that C/D???

I always enjoy a comedy!



 

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Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
 

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Originally posted by Si Allen:
Joey....would you send me a copy of that C/D???

I always enjoy a comedy!

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Funny... I always thought something like that would usually end in tragedy.
 

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Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
 
Do you guys really want a pic of Joeys right hand..........??
You know.......the one he stripes with..!!

.....cj
 

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Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
 
Si & Sticky are both wrong. Just the visual images in my mind constitute a horror show.
 

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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
 
My friends Si, Mike, CJ and Chris, thank you for the kind words

I always found marriage to be an institution I didn't want to be committed to, to early in my life. I understand your dilemma and remember the perks of marriage before my wife passed. I've wondered sometimes if she had lived, would I have been in custody today after that state of torment. Granted, marriage is a wonderful union for some but I've been told I'm very high maintainance so therefor I rely on the younger then me generation to satisfy my needs and I enter the end of my trail years. Theres been a whole lot out there since I learned that self gradification isn't much fun, like most of you married folks already know but haven't brought it up with their spouse as of yet.

As far as the Janet Jackson thingie, when I saw it on the news, I thought that the dude just tore her bra off to see if it wasn't really Michael Jackson in disguise.
 

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Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
 
Scarier thought is that she may have borrowed the nipple jewelry from her big brother.
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
Don...hahahaha...for real!!
 

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Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
 
On the news last night they said the network and Janet Jackson have expressed apologies.

Justine on the other hand just grinned and made flippant comments like "gave ya all something to talk about" (uh, nothing good JT) ... then he proudly boasts "it was so easy and fun".

That attitude of disrespect and entitlement unnerves me. His performance as a whole was lame. Basically following Janet around home-boy style and acting like a dog in heat. No great singing or dance moves even touched that number.

Don't performers get paid darn well to entertain us? When they fail so miserably, that the bad reviews are the buzz the next day, you would think there would be some regrets.

Aren't there any consequences for that kind of behavior and attitude?

JT really came down some notches in my book.

Not only for his blunder, but for his attitude about it afterwards.

Nettie
 

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Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
 
Justin, Janet, Nelly, and the entire hip-hop culture is a whole-cloth creation of MTV, which has defined the cult of celebrity as a pack of talentless media whores who do anything for attention. Whether or not a performer has any actual talent is immaterial - in a culture where fame is the equivalent of notoriety, and shock value is the currency to achieve it, is it any wonder these cretins would use the Super Bowl to reach the largest audience and get the most attention?

What I gag on are the pious moans from media execs and critics about "protecting children" - do these hypocrites ever watch MTV or listen to pop music? Do they ever question the emotional equivalent of raw sewage that kids bathe in every day in front of the TV, that generates the money they make? A stunt like this is mild compared to the swill that children see and hear every day, but because it got a mass ADULT audience, it was noticed, and so justifies all sorts of expressions of shock and dismay by those who live in oriental luxury as professional expressors of shock and dismay. The NFL didn't expect this? Give me a break. The NFL, along with CBS and MTV, are embarrassed all the way to the bank.

Do yourself a favor. Turn on a top-40 radio station today, and actually listen to some lyrics. Watch a few hours of MTV tonight. Remind yourself that what you see and hear is designed for and directed specifically to adolescents. Then ask yourself who is getting rich off this filth, and why anyone, anywhere, would be "shocked" by a Janet Jackson tit shot on national TV.
 

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Posted by Jim Doggett (Member # 1409) on :
 
Hi All -

Last Saturday, it was "Janet Who?"

Today she's bigger news than her brother, Coby or an ongoing military conflict.

The problem (IMHO) isn't a little skin on TV. It's that pack-tabloid-journalism is masquerading as news.

Democracy requires more than simply a "free press." It requires an informed electorate that is the result of investigative journalism. Too bad that’s a dying breed.

Jim
 

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Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
The liberal press has really messed this one up. No one mentioned that it clearly a White taking advantage of a Black situation. More oppression.
I was watching with the wife and sons, and it seemed so contrived it was funny.
 

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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
like i said in my other post....they run crap like this and everybody is on it(as you see with the number of posts & media coverage).....and they refused to run a political add.....no matter what its content was.....this is the point i was tryin to make.....that CRAP like this circus sideshow....will grab more peoples attention and "distract" from the real things and keep peoples attention focused on something that has no real relivance. so appathy and misguiding by the media....is its primary work today.
so dont start with the purpose of the political add, look past that and see that "FREE PRESS" which is supposed to be"held up by the constitution.....is being diminished every day....soon you will be told only what you need to hear. and this is the sad part.......i think carl marx said it the best "SEDATE THE MASSES" was his approch and they did it in russia with vodka all thru the communist era. here its the media doing the job.....

[ February 03, 2004, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
 

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Posted by Steve Purcell (Member # 1140) on :
 
The Patriots and the Panthers treated this country to the most exciting Superbowl to date, and, arguably, one of the best fourth quarters ever to have been played.

Yet, instead of singing the praises of these glorious competitors, our witless populace seems obsessed with the classless antics of a self absorbed, washed up hag, and a vapid, talentless has-been.

Coming from a state that appears to have completely lost it's moral compass, the decent, humble, and hard working football club from Foxboro is a welcome ray of sunlight.
 

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Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
 
I think as crazy as things seem to people in the US, we're still conservative compared to the rest of the world, mostly Europe.

The suggestive dancing and ripping clothes off each other on stage is something we could probably do without, but the simple fact there was a little boob on the... boob tube.. is being blown completely out of proportion. The US is just living a sheltered life, you should see the stuff that's aired on TV in other countries, it's simply amazing - and they don't think anything of it because it's already part of their daily lifestyle. They're much more open about sex and the human body in other areas of the world, the US still holds it as one of those taboo subjects which probably only perpetuates the problem. Just think if the US had openly nude or topless beaches - places like New Orleans and Mardi Gras or any other spring break destination with the beads wouldn't be a big deal at all.

Back in October the World Finals jetski races were here, of course people from all countries all over the planet were there. I'm down on the beach with my local friends, and next to us was a family from Norway. We're talking with them as they get their beach area all setup and the next thing ya know, all the daughters (of legal age, BTW) are topless (afterall, it was about 105 degrees and very sunny). They didn't think anything of it. The mom turned beet red and scolds them - "Put your tops back on, they don't do this in the US!".
 

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Posted by Rovelle W. Gratz (Member # 4404) on :
 
Why, pray tell, would anyone want to see anything coming from moveon.org?
 

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Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
 
People are really ****ed because the sex show Hi-Jacked a fine super bowl. Them loosers think its all about them. Self centered, self indulgent, spoiled and disrespectful.

I pray the backlash costs them millions. And maybe Congress will get the FCC to regulate better.
 

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Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
The hardest thing for the so-called rebelleous mind to accept is that, the people will, in time, rebel against their forcing it down everyone's throat. It has been tolarated to the point of near saturation. That's why you hear the rumblings. When it hits the point when people obviously take fro granted that these things can be used for shock value, people will tell those involved, "Put your tit back in your top, and go to the can to play with yourself.
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
Mike,

I kinda see your angle on this...but I wouldn't consider a whole lot of ideas propogated by Europeans as something that the US should necessarily emulate.

Stupid, twisted, thoughtless behavior is just that, no matter what Geographic location it comes from.

No one is perfect, and we all do dopey things in a spur-of-the-moment lack of good judgement. But, celebrity liars being what they are...no one can tell me that this wasn't a planned event. The truth is a foreign concept among the celebrity elite.

Very simple, but true: My mom always said, "If John Doe jumped off a bridge, does that mean you should too?"

I'm for personal responsibility and a code of ethical and moral behavior .... if people have no personal moral compass and want to be followers, they should at least be smart enough to sense who is leading them in the right direction. Unfortunately, there's a lot of dumb people out there.

Cam - - What you said was terrific Imho....your thoughts make perfect sense from my perspective.
 

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Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
 
Music aint music anymore. Hip hop, in my opinion is just a way for talentless non singing lazybutts to get rich. If it weren't for MTV, there would be no hip hop. ALthough, music has always had its rebels, but they were talented rebels. Elvis with his gyrations, The Beatles wit their hair and Johns views on life, but these were musical genius types. It doesnt take a genius to write poetry and say yeah yeah forty seven times in a song. And geeze, along comes Eminem, a token white rapper that is only famous because he acts like he hates the world and everyone in it, this all orchestrated by his handler, Dr. Dre. Its all gimmicks not talent. That's what Janet has taken to doing, using gimmicks. Although she is a very talented singer and dancer, she knows her time has come and she is grasping at straws. In Justins case, its just pure ignorance. He thinks because of who he is, he can do anything. Not true, as he is finding out.
As for me, Bob Seger, Chicago, Blood Sweat and Tears, Blues Image, Sugarloaf, Jeff Healey, Fleetwood Mac, and others, where are you?
Its time for music to come back and push this sad a** crap out of the way.
 

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Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
 

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Mike,

I kinda see your angle on this...but I wouldn't consider a whole lot of ideas propogated by Europeans as something that the US should necessarily emulate.

Stupid, twisted, thoughtless behavior is just that, no matter what Geographic location it comes from.

...My mom always said, "If John Doe jumped off a bridge, does that mean you should too?"

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Todd, I'm not sure you did see Mikes angle, (of course only he can say, but...) I think he meant that even though "The suggestive dancing and ripping clothes off each other on stage is something we could probably do without" The reason it happened (for the shock-value pay-off of everyone talking about it) is directly related to our conservative prudish self-image in America. And if that weren't true then "the simple fact there was a little boob on the... boob tube.." would not be "blown completely out of proportion."

Yeah, it was not appropriate for prime time according to the current status quo... & it was not art IMO & therefore had no place as entertainment... but it is only as big a deal as we make it, & although we have already made it a big enough deal to encourage more of the same shock-value scheming in the future... I totally agree with the comments that anyone who really thinks our kids were shocked should either watch more MTV, listen to more contemporary music, be commended for sheltering their children thus-far...

... or worry more about all the gratuitous violence that is IMHO far more prevalent & more detrimental in our societies entertainment industry.

[ February 03, 2004, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
 

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Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
 
well now. My son, his friends, and a large group of teens around here hated it. They all said it was a publicity seeking gratiutous display.

They also said that a the few that are into the Hip Hop scene are the known stoners. So, over all it looks like this dog ain't goona hunt.

ITs over. Stick a fork in em.
 

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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
on a liter view of this..YOU ALL HAVE BECOME YOUR PARENT.....remember how they saw us 60's kids...and that we all were no account, lazy, drugies? hummmmmmmmmmmm
 

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Posted by Henry Barker (Member # 174) on :
 
Thank god I live in Europe...where nobody really gives a ****.

I drove semi's on the Janet Jackson tour in 1990 over all of Europe, and worked spotlights on the show everynight...we had alot of fun.

We see more than that on a showergel commercial over here, I'd rather see janets's tit than be subjected to Eminem as I am on a daily basis, by the younger members in this house:)

Back home in the Uk we have topless women in all the tabloid press for all to see, so I guess its something you grow up with and don't think about.

Irony is that I am subjected to alot worse, in text and pictures in my inbox everyday, which comes from the US, and which I can do very little to stop...bar changing my e-mail address, stuff that I have never subscribed too but just keeps coming...
 

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Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
 
See, Henry proves my point and Doug summed it up nicely.

It's only as big a deal as we make it, and Americans do have a more prudish perception when it comes to these things.

I will agree that the act of someone ripping the clothes off another on stage is uncalled for - even though it's just meant for show it's borderline portraying a rape in my eyes.

I won't agree that a little boob on TV is going to traumatize anyone, afterall we've all seen it at a very young age and I guarantee it wasn't offensive in any way back then.

I also agree that it was completely planned, and that everyone knew about it before it happened. The media blows it out of proportion and the parties in charge pretend to be innocent.

It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
 

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Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
 
Whether it's a little boob, a big fat ass and erotic dancing, it has it's time and place, Super Bowl half time ain't it.

I like to be able to comfortably watch a family show with my 5 year old and not have to worry about whether I'm watching border line porn in the next 5 seconds. It has great effects whether you think it does or not. As a parent I like to know what my kid is going to watch, you just don't expect that in a superbowl half time. But hey why don't we all just forget it and have janet perform the same act next on the Disney channel.

Looking at a nude person in a painting is very much different and has different effects than these sad excuse for entertainment, and thier bump and grinds. I'm glad they are making a big deal out of it, I know much won't change but a line has definatley been drawn in the sand.

It's comforting to know morals haven't completely died in this country yet.

I hope this costs them big time.

[ February 03, 2004, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
No Doug,

I think I pretty much do agree with what Mike is saying, bar the European and prudish connections. I think Mike still was saying that he didn't feel it was necessary.

"Prudish" is in the eyes of the beholder. Where does prudish end? Just because something is accepted without thought by one person doesn't mean an offended party is automatically prudish.

A pedophile like Michael Jackson probably thinks that people who don't participate in his type of kicks with young boys are "prudish".

You see what I mean? Prudish is just a label that is given by people without boundaries to those who don't agree with controversial social behaviors.

Now, am I so lame as to be totally repelled by seeing a tit on tv? Heck no.

But the point is that like Bob Rochon and Curtis and some others have stated, it was uncalled for in this particular venue. Parents must have the choice to know when and if they should turn the channel when their kids are watching.

Even Clinton with all his sexual deviations put the V chip in tv's for a parent's protection.

If you rent a movie, you know by the rating what's to be expected...which is fine. It gives parents the decision making power for what they feel is appropriate for what they want their kids watching.

Joe Blow down the street might rent pornos and show them to his kids and think there's nothing wrong with that. Hey, it's educating his kids on the very natural human mating process he might try to rationalize. It's instructional and educational right? Yeah, ok. In the end sex is cheapened and society pays the price by becoming numbed and unaffected by increasingly vile behaviors.

It's not so much the boob and the boobs that our culture holds up as role models...it's not knowing what might pop up on tv next. The choice was removed from the parents and viewers.

My TV guide said "Superbowl" not "Supersluts".

I still say that even if it's "normal" for other countries to show unedited nudity and sexual acts on tv, that society and morality take a huge hit. Virtue is being displaced by bottom dwellers.

Some people live like swine and associate with like minded people and think that's normal...it's all they've ever known. They live by their urges and don't care to question their motives for acting the way they do.

A dog will walk up to a female in heat and screw her in front of a crowd of people...and that's the mark that some people in our country are shooting for.

No wonder Viagra is so popular....people are becoming so numbed by sexual imagery that they can't get cranked up anymore.

Is part of the shock factor exposing some pierced melon ravaged by time and gravity which had to be propped up by a push-up bra?

Edit: Haha...isn't it ironic that mine was post "69"?

[ February 03, 2004, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
 

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Posted by Jay Allen (Member # 195) on :
 
Forget the skin. It isn't just the skin - or the music - or the artist - or where they are in their careers, etc. Though all the above comments are valid arguments and terrifically revealing about each of us - the #1 on the top ten list of why not to do it:

First and foremost, I think it's the appearance of a man tearing a woman's clothes off that really eats at many of us.

That's inappropriate - no possible argument - and no matter the audience. Nobody seems to be expressing that - and that is somewhat disturbing. But at least people are disturbed - and ALL ages it seems. (Deep down I think most of us have a sense of decency and a moral compass - regardless of age)

Any adult (with a sense of what it takes to raise tomorrows adults) knows it was done for publicity (though the artists may claim it was 'art' since the "action" was mentioned in the lyrics) - but the wrong message was sent to any kids watching and those two performers should take their high visibility with a bit more understanding about what they are putting forth as entertainment - with kids in mind.

I am surprised by the silence from women's groups. What are they missing here?
 

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Posted by Chuck Churchill (Member # 68) on :
 
I watched the halftime show and saw something that I thought far more controversial and irreverent to America than the Jackson/Timberlake lark. That was on air for less than 5 seconds while some yahoo cut a hole in an American flag and stuck his head through it for at least three minutes while yelling things that no one could understand. I find it far more uncomfortable that CBS and the NFL let that one through the gate. This is the most chersished symbol of all that is good about our country (yes I am an American). A major TV network condones desacration of it during airtime they claim is worth 4 million+ a minute by a guy that has less talent than a trained flea. This is not the America that I was born in.
 

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Posted by Kissymatina (Member # 2028) on :
 

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Originally posted by Todd Gill:
My TV guide said "Superbowl" not "Supersluts".

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That sums it up Todd.

It isn't so much the boob appearing on tv, it's that the superbowl was the wrong place for it, it was unexpected and unwelcomed by the viewing audience and her clothes being torn off was just low. It's not like a button on her shirt was hanging on by a thread, the thread broke & her boob "accidentially" popped out.

No one was given a choice as to witness it or not. When you rent a movie, turn on a show you have warning labels or an idea what to expect. You get to choose if you want to watch that or not. There was no warning, thus no choice.
 

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Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
 
I don't for a minute miss the validity of the points made by Curtis, Bob R. & others that this level of nudity was forced upon an unwilling public by deception & without warning slipped under the radar of watchful parents who do monitor the music & television that they expose their young children to. I certinely did not say any individual who was offended is a prude by anyones definition. Like Todd pointed out, such a term is relative, & for me to say that Americans seem to be more prudish about sex & nudity relative to many other nations does not mean that I don't agree that it was inappropriate in the context of the halftime show.

Todd, I thought your reply to Mike's post sounded like you thought he was saying if there is a greater tolerance of sleaze (relative term again)elsewhere in the world... that we should jump off that bridge too. At least the topless beaches, or the showergel commercials are not deceptively slipping under anyones radar & those cultures are not responding with overblown sensitivity because that is an acceptable part of those cultures.

Even if I think we Americans & ultimately the emotional health of our children would benefit from being less uptight about "innocent" nudity... I would still completely agree with Jay's observation (& Mike's)about the fact that this particular incident of nudity was in a context of borderline violence & abuse. On the other hand, although Janet faked embarrasment when she covered up... she didn't play out any drama of having been violated by JT...

which brings me back to my point if I ever had any... weather you actually see any nipple or not, our television is full of very explicit & blatent portrayals of voilent rapes, sexual abuse & violence that don't in any way try to mask the attrocities they are dramatizing... but they do mask the nipple. Which is worse?

OK, again... I get it that those shows are usually somewhat easier for us to screen out of our childrens view... & this "lesser evil" (IMO) still WAS out of place.
 

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Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
 
In an increasingly desensitized populace, it takes ever-increasing levels of bad behavior to get attention, to create "buzz" for the parties involved. And if you want to know if CBS or the NFL were REALLY embarrassed or offended, find out if they honored the contracts with Janet, Justin, and MTV. Don't hold your breath thinking these jackwads didn't get paid for that stunt.

And that's what this was - a deliberate, choreographed act intended to get the attention of the benumbed masses who collectively spend BILLIONS to replace the dull reality of life with the artificial stimulus of "entertainment".

So my question is, how many of you who were "offended" or "shocked" or "dismayed" called the cable company and had your service disconnected? You want to protect your children? Start with that.
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
I agree with you there Chris...and Doug, I mostly agree with your last post also. Thanks for expanding your thoughts on that.

And I do agree, there is a lot of junk on tv that IS far worse than boob shot.

Sometimes we're (the family) sitting around watching tv and something is said or done that you didn't quite expect either...and it leaves you thinking, "jeesh, I really wish my kid didn't just have to see/hear that."

So yes, valid points.

And I do agree with the thought that the visual of Timberlake ripping off Jackson's bra exposing her boob, gives the elusion of a guy forcefully having his way with a woman without her consent.

That is definately not an image that I want young males to think is cool.

Of course it was a planned event...and even though Jackson got attention, I hope it was negative attention that backfires and causes people to pass on purchasing her new cd.

Have a great week everyone...I'm done talking about those weirdos....I'm all Jackson'd out.
 

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Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
 
OK, I'll pass on the Janet Jackson CD... but I still want the MIKE Jackson one.
 

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Posted by Steve Barba (Member # 431) on :
 
What I'm really not getting here is WHY ANYONE would even watch that sh*t. The second, the 2d quarter ended, I changed the channel to AFV for 30 minuntes. I did'nt hear about the lame-o stunt until I read about it in the paper the next day.

For a bunch of "craftsmen" concerned about quality on a daily basis, how you sat through that mindless rhetoric is beyond me.
 

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Posted by TransLab (Member # 470) on :
 
I didn't find the dance routine any more offensive than the trashy lyrics of the song, yet no-one seems up in arms over that.

It's funny
... vulgar lyrics produce little reaction to the public at large
... vulgar actions produce little reaction to the public at large (crotch grabbing, suggestive dance, etc...)
... but show a bare breast (almost bare - pastie) and "up she comes"

I'm not defending it, the whole production was tasteless & crass, and was truly out of place; but I am questioning what most people (or press) were most offended by.
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
Ok, I lied...one more thing to add...Spike Lee (black director) has the following quotes, which is refreshing to hear it straight from holyweird:

NEW YORK - Film director Spike Lee (news) criticized Janet Jackson (news)'s surprise breast-baring during the Super Bowl halftime show last weekend as a "new low" of attention-getting antics by entertainers.

Lee, speaking at Kent State University's regional campus in Stark County, Ohio, on Tuesday night, said there has been a decline in artistry.


He said it's not enough to be a good singer, and that entertainers "have to do something extra" — such as the openmouthed kiss Madonna (news - web sites) gave Britney Spears (news) and Christina Aguilera (news) during the MTV Video Music Awards in August.


"What's gonna be next? It's getting crazy, and it's all down to money. Money and fame," said Lee, the director of "Malcolm X" and "Do the Right Thing." "Somehow the whole value system has been upended."
 

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Posted by Mark Perkins (Member # 296) on :
 
It must not have gotten CBS too upset, aren't both timberlake and jackson scheduled to appear on the Grammy awards this weekend....carried by CBS? Of course a lot of people may tune in just to see if they apoligize or do something crazy again....more viewers=more advertising $$$$$ for CBS
 

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Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
 
It is all "entertainment"!!!!!

With an ever increasingly jaded audience....they must go to "the next step" to gain "favor and fame" !!!!!

The ancient Incas (or was it the Myans)had a game reminicient of basketball.....where the players REALLY tried to win....becaus all of the losing team were beheaded! Let's not forget the Roman "bread & circus", where they fed criminals and Christians to the lions.

In our time we have such programs as "Fear Factor" and it's ilk. What's next? Squashing criminals and welfare recipients with "Big Foot"???

We have the choice of watching, not watching, or protesting to those in charge!


 

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Posted by Henry Barker (Member # 174) on :
 
I think a discussion on Ken Park which I saw last night, is more reflective of the type of society we live in....maybe its banned or heavily censored in the US.

An eyeopener anyway....and makes the JJ and JT thing very small in the big picture today...I know ones fiction and ones fact...but it makes you wonder how much in touch you are with whats really going on.

This is probably not the place to discuss that....
 

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Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
 
OK, I've been quiet through this thing. Here's my take:

True, in Europe, TV is different. And, I am somewhat disappointed that that two teams who were skilled enough to make it to the SuperBowl are being ignored. I feel our top 40 music is a much bigger travesty,

IE: Songs by Missy Elliott. Pure, unadulterated trash, (the "work it" song) and yet some of you will buy or download this stuff for your kid and hand it to them for their listening pleasure. That is sick. And that is just one of many in the sess pool of talentless spoiled rich "artists" we continue to support with concert ticket and CD sales. Then we are surprised when our kid becomes a parent at 16 years old.

The Janet Jackson thing could be a teachable moment. Everybody agrees the whole "flavor" of the halftime show was undesirable....CHANGE THE CHANNEL. It is easier than ever to do so, everybody has a remote control, and our kids learn that it's ok not to be spoon fed by the media......I agree with Cam on this one.


Regards,

[ February 05, 2004, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: Rick Beisiegel ]
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
I agree with you Rick, except that the "change the channel" wouldn't have necessarily done any good with this event. How do you know that a dimwit like JT is going to reach over and rip the top off of JJ? It just all of a sudden happened?
 

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Posted by Daniel Craig (Member # 971) on :
 

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The ancient Incas (or was it the Myans)had a game reminicient of basketball.....where the players REALLY tried to win....becaus all of the losing team were beheaded!

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I thought they sacrificed the WINNING team. When I visited Chizen Itza back in the 80s, the jury was still out on the issue.
 

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Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
 
Todd

Everybody says the whole show reaked of inuendo and suggestion. The time to change the channel was way before the hooter "fell" out. Then, our kids would have seen our disgust and been protected somewhat too.
 

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Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
 
Rick,
I totally agree with "Change the Channel" I do it every day.
And,
I can guarante you that I don't downlad that stuff, nor do I buy the CD's, nor does it play anywhere in my vacinity.
However,
the whole point of "change the channel" would be great if there was some kind of warning. No one, not one person ever expected to have a simulated asault on a woman and the exposing of her breast during a world famous American tradition of a family watching a football game.

The entire event was a farce from the beginning.
Starting with the booting of the US Marine color guard right after the Anthem, the shock commercials, the vulgar words to the songs, the suggestive pelvic movements, and of course the hooter shot.

Time to spank them all. Punish them hard. These are talentless, cookie cuttered, manufactured, artistic terrorists make it that good real entertainers and shows can't be trusted again. The grammys's and who knows what other show will be tape delayed.
 

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Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
 
I became "TV free in '03" when I cancelled cable service about a year ago. Even up to then I couldn't stomach the network bilge of stupid comedies and formula-driven dramas, not to mention the endless hammering of advertisers to sell cars, beer, pills, and fast food. I do occasionally watch a sporting event like the World Series or the Super Bowl at a friend's home. I admit to missing the JJ and JT halftime stunt (it was on, but silly MTV clowns just don't hold my attention.)

But the thing I've discovered is, there IS life without TV - there's books, music, friends, conversation, outdoor activities, REAL LIFE. And it's not boring or dull; I don't find myself wishing I could watch TV instead of all the other things I could be doing. Yet I'm the first to admit that having it is addictive - it's easier to sit around in front of it with a blank mind and let the damn thing do my thinking for me.

What I've discovered about TV is how witless and predictable it is, how everything seems to be written for the attention span of a hyperactive child, and that every moment of it is designed to keep you sitting still while someone tries to sell you something, by convincing you that you can't live without whatever it is, even though you never heard of it before.

Look at prescription drug ads. To watch them you soon believe that everyone has allergies, heartburn, and can't get it up. We spend billions in blood and treasure to fight a "war on drugs", then let TV tell us (and our kids) that all our problems can be solved with the right pills. The contradictions are so blatant and obvious, and the marketing so transparent and insulting - but no one gets outraged until some skank's tit comes out during the Super Bowl. Is it any wonder the networks don't take the public seriously? They have mountains of evidence that we, as a society, will accept almost anything they care to shovel, from pills to politicians.

The root of all evil isn't money. It's television.
 

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Posted by Steve Racz (Member # 4376) on :
 
Cam - sorry about the Signgold (another thread). We cut back on our cable to the very basic (i wanted to keep the cable for the internet, we only have channels 1-23). The only channels i miss are discovery and sometimes the history channel - my wife used to watch HGTV a lot but it always got me into trouble of all the things i'm not doing around here... Anyway on a slightly tangential thread, we have so much in this country that we invent problems and then products to solve them... here are a few of my pet peeves
Storage facilities - throw the extra stuff out!
Cosmetic stuff such as botox - why tamper with mother nature! TV makes us think we should all look like the "perfect" person, perfect skin, perfect weight, perfect hair... personally i don't know anyone that looks like that (maybe i just have ugly friends... but i sure love them the way they are)
Toothbrush cleaner - just saw a commercial for this one, never knew my toothbrush was dirty.
I could go on, but you get my drift.

Anyway, i'm off to Joe Cieslowski's Chisel Jam in CT. See you all on Sunday night!
 

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Posted by John Cordova (Member # 220) on :
 
I totally agree with what Steve Racz and Doug Allan had to say.

Before the "garment malfunction" happened I thought the whole 1/2 show sucked. Bad.
I have to say I'd rather my kids saw a woman's breast than the gratuitous violence that's shown on prime time now. I'm more offended by, and would rather not have my kids hear/see, the lyrics, crotch grabbing, flag wearing, talentless, losers than seeing a woman's breast.

There was a story a couple of weeks ago about an Organic food market that had on their magazine shelves at the register, a parenting magazine with a picture on the cover of a woman breastfeeding her child. A female customer got offended and the store pulled the magazine. It last just a short while before the store decided to put them back saying that the image is one of the most natural things in nature. Good for them!
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
I have to admit, I never saw the halftime show....but I did see photos on the Drudge Report of Jackson's tit and read the entire story .....

So Rick, you have a point...I had no idea the rest of the half-time show was decadent as well...so you're "change the channel" would work as soon as you saw the halftime show going south.

Cheers.
 

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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
NEWS FLASH NEWS FLASH NEWS FLASH

Janet Jackson has been banned from the upcoming Grammy's show, and the Grammy people are adding a 5 minute delay to the program so they can undermine impromptu antics and political speeches from the holly-weirdos.

Hey, freedom of speech is alive...but if they want to offend people, let them do it on their own dime and in the proper forum.

It is illegal after all, to yell "fire" in a movie theater, or to say, "boy, I'd really like to blow up this plane" when you're boarding for a flight.
 

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Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
 
intresting that the "steaker" got arrested and Janet got paid?
 

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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
All this because of one boob.....and we call it profanity.....but over 500 american boys PROFANLY DEAD.....for no good reason...and they wont put the bodies coming back here on the media....so people can grasp the PROFANITY OF A MEANINGLESS WAR with no end in site!!!!!

[ February 08, 2004, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
 

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